Hulk/Flash Versus scenario
Who would be more powerful with comparable (but not exact) powers?
Start the characters off at base strength/speed of sound.
1. Hulk at base strength can now move at speed of sound. The madder he gets the faster he gets, as well.
2. Flash moving at just the speed of sound is at Hulk base strength. The faster he runs the stronger he gets.
How fast/strong can the characters get? Who winds up overall more powerful in your oponions?
1. At his strongest levels, Hulk was at WBH-levels, and with Betty, their punches' shockwaves destroyed the planet they were standing on, and melted multiple powerful opponents just from the shockwaves. That's plenty mad, and thus, plenty fast.
2. At his fastest, well, Wally has outrun his own shadow. His own Death. Hell, himself.
Therefore, whilst I cannot answer your first question, my vote is that Wally winds up more powerful. He likely already, has, if his infinite mass punch is anything to go by.
This assumes 'powerful' refers to punching power.
It depends. Based off fts, I would say Hulk is more powerful but based off powerset, it's debatable. Flash is more of an annoyance and is extremely hard to combat. Hulk is an annoyance as well (to extremely powerful beings). The more you pound, cut, or blast him, the more powerful he becomes (in most cases). With that said, this can be discussed in different aspects. When it comes to fighting powerful beings, Hulk has looked better than Flash imo.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85100% agreed with Dark. Granted, who gets more powerful or wins is gonna be pure opinion at that point.
1. At his strongest levels, Hulk was at WBH-levels, and with Betty, their punches' shockwaves destroyed the planet they were standing on, and melted multiple powerful opponents just from the shockwaves. That's plenty mad, and thus, plenty fast.2. At his fastest, well, Wally has outrun his own shadow. His own Death. Hell, himself.
Therefore, whilst I cannot answer your first question, my vote is that Wally winds up more powerful. He likely already, has, if his infinite mass punch is anything to go by.
This assumes 'powerful' refers to punching power.
Originally posted by carver9
It depends. Based off fts, I would say Hulk is more powerful but based off powerset, it's debatable. Flash is more of an annoyance and is extremely hard to combat. Hulk is an annoyance as well (to extremely powerful beings). The more you pound, cut, or blast him, the more powerful he becomes (in most cases). With that said, this can be discussed in different aspects. When it comes to fighting powerful beings, Hulk has looked better than Flash imo.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...my post was more directed to Dark but overall I agree with him.
Carv trying to save face biscuits
I'd say Flash could win this kind of contest, his speed is quite exponential as a growth so his strenght would skyrocket instantly, even assuming Hulk's rage builds up faster as he gets madder.
So Flash would be more instantly powerful and more powerful overall since he has finer control of his powers and has his speedforce skills. Hulk should get physically stronger than he is at some point, but holding back perpetually would cap his speed more often than not.
But at least with these boosts Hulk might get some wins against Thor 😖hifty:
Originally posted by carver9
It depends. Based off fts, I would say Hulk is more powerful but based off powerset, it's debatable. Flash is more of an annoyance and is extremely hard to combat. Hulk is an annoyance as well (to extremely powerful beings). The more you pound, cut, or blast him, the more powerful he becomes (in most cases). With that said, this can be discussed in different aspects. When it comes to fighting powerful beings, Hulk has looked better than Flash imo.
Yah, but in terms of , essentially, is Flash faster than Hulk is stronger, Hulk has on average still been bound by physical limits.
Whereas Flash is essentially a concept at his highest levels. How the hell can you be faster than yourself? Than Death? It's total nonsense - but Flash has done it. Melting the Mindless Ones etc with the mere shockwaves is a beast of a feat, no doubt about it - but someone can still sit down and calculate it (step right up h1!). But being faster than death? Whaa?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yah, but in terms of , essentially, is Flash faster than Hulk is stronger, Hulk has on average still been bound by physical limits.Whereas Flash is essentially a concept at his highest levels. How the hell can you be faster than yourself? Than Death? It's total nonsense - but Flash has done it. Melting the Mindless Ones etc with the mere shockwaves is a beast of a feat, no doubt about it - but someone can still sit down and calculate it (step right up h1!). But being faster than death? Whaa?
I think you are looking at high showings rather than averages. Going that route, that would make both of our posts correct since either have shown any type of limits when it comes to their power source. Both are plot driven. Flash being the god of speed and Hulk being as strong as he wants to be. Flash out racing his shadow, Hulk nearly overpowering an abstract, or...
Get what I'm saying? When it comes to both of their powerset, Flash is the fastest man alive while Hulk is the strongest there is. It's the true nature of their power. So all in all, neither of these characters have limits but like I said before, there are showings where Flash has been hit and there are showings where Hulk has been physically taken down but they are the prime examples of what they stand for, strength and speed. People would be shocked to see someone outrun Flash and people thrive to see someone physically overpowering the Hulk. Both are highlighted moments and are extremely rare occasions.
We're supposed to look at high showings 😕
OP asked who would end up faster/stronger.
My point was, at his angriest, when Hulk was cutting loose, he was doing things that were insanely powerful....but still, physically possible. So if we assume that the angrier he gets, the faster he gets, as PER the OP, using his ANGRIEST ever, he will be really fast.
Flash, as per the OP, gets stronger the faster he gets. OP asked, how strong would he be at his fastest?
Now, considering we have seen Flash at his fastest, and Hulk at his angriest (i.e. HIGH showings), we should be able to extrapolate how strong/fast these new characters will be, based on their HIGH showings of speed and anger, respectively.
WBH destroyed that planet. Flash outran himself.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
My point was, at his angriest, when Hulk was cutting loose, he was doing things that were insanely powerful....but still, physically possible.
You should clarify "physically possible by means other than punching". Racing yourself in the other hand, is literal nonsense.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
We're supposed to look at high showings 😕OP asked who would end up faster/stronger.
My point was, at his angriest, when Hulk was cutting loose, he was doing things that were insanely powerful....but still, physically possible. So if we assume that the angrier he gets, the faster he gets, as PER the OP, using his ANGRIEST ever, he will be really fast.
Flash, as per the OP, gets stronger the faster he gets. OP asked, how strong would he be at his fastest?
Now, considering we have seen Flash at his fastest, and Hulk at his angriest (i.e. HIGH showings), we should be able to extrapolate how strong/fast these new characters will be, based on their HIGH showings of speed and anger, respectively.
WBH destroyed that planet. Flash outran himself.
I guess when we look at everything as a whole, we don't know the limits of each ft. We don't have a Cap on how strong WBH punch was because everything was destroyed. The only reason Umar wasn't annihilated was due to her physically shielding herself. Do we have a define limit on how powerful her shields are? Not to my knowledge since we know that she is empowered by her own power (which is obviously trans tier) with additional power added to her own (Dormammu who is a legit Skyfather). Is there any proof that she even survived said attacks?
I don't think you are looking at everything as a whole tbh. Look at the total picture and compare both. Then you'll see where I am coming from.
Overall, I think this is a tie.
Originally posted by carver9
I guess when we look at everything as a whole, we don't know the limits of each ft. We don't have a Cap on how strong WBH punch was because everything was destroyed. The only reason Umar wasn't annihilated was due to her physically shielding herself. Do we have a define limit on how powerful her shields are? Not to my knowledge since we know that she is empowered by her own power (which is obviously trans tier) with additional power added to her own (Dormammu who is a legit Skyfather). Is there any proof that she even survived said attacks?I don't think you are looking at everything as a whole tbh. Look at the total picture and compare both. Then you'll see where I am coming from.
Overall, I think this is a tie.
That's the point, doe.
Say she's trans+Skyfather, stacked.
So her shields are super powerful. Able to withstand XYZ TeraJoules (or whatever) of energy (and it CAN be worked out, as we know the amount of energy needed to blow a planet up etc). All we would need to know are certain parameters - size of the planet, area of Hulk/Betty's fists, etc. It would take a while, and there will be a few assumptions made, but overall, you can compute it. It would be a massive, massive number, that's for sure.
But Flash....outran himself. As Bentley said, that is literal nonsense. You can't even begin to work out how fast that is. And he has done similar things plenty of times. THAT is the point you're missing. On the one hand, Hulk's feat at his angriest, can be computed, roughly.
Flash's feat is less maths, and more philosophy. Can someone be so fast that they are faster than themselves?