Hulk/Flash Versus scenario

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Way I saw it, yes, the Hulk has limitless anger and thus, limitless strength.

But he needs to be able to get that angry. THAT is the valve, the limiting factor, on him.

We argue in character. Not just a powerset. What makes Peter Parker angry, for example, wouldn't make Banner angry, and vice-versa.

Therefore, in order to really take full advantage of his limitless anger, you need external stimuli to get him angry - and keep adding it on.

Losing his wife and unborn child, his entire home, thanks to his 'friend', being a massive dick to his other friends as a result of it, being able to finally cut loose without fear of killing someone, THE Betty kissing Tyrannus etc - all those factors piled on top of each other gave us the World Breaker.

And he was explicitly said to be the angriest he had ever been. Multiple times.

Could he have gotten angrier? Well, there's no cap on it - perhaps if it turned out his mother was resurrected in front of him then tortured, and he found out about Tony messing with the gamma test etc etc at the same time, he might have gotten angrier - but with no such factors present, he cannot get any angrier.

Originally posted by TheHulk
OHH and this isn't?

No, because Flash has a variety of crazy massively FTL feats. Do you feel Hulk has a lot of feats showing he can fight IG level beings? You must, otherwise your comment makes no sense.

Way I saw it, yes, the Hulk has limitless anger and thus, limitless strength.

But he needs to be able to get that angry. THAT is the valve, the limiting factor, on him.

But we actually don't know if it is truly limitless, isn't that a no limits fallacy? How do you know Hulk has an infinite capacity for anger?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Way I saw it, yes, the Hulk has limitless anger and thus, limitless strength.

But he needs to be able to get that angry. THAT is the valve, the limiting factor, on him.

We argue in character. Not just a powerset. What makes Peter Parker angry, for example, wouldn't make Banner angry, and vice-versa.

Therefore, in order to really take full advantage of his limitless anger, you need external stimuli to get him angry - and keep adding it on.

Losing his wife and unborn child, his entire home, thanks to his 'friend', being a massive dick to his other friends as a result of it, being able to finally cut loose without fear of killing someone, THE Betty kissing Tyrannus etc - all those factors piled on top of each other gave us the World Breaker.

And he was explicitly said to be the angriest he had ever been. Multiple times.

Could he have gotten angrier? Well, there's no cap on it - perhaps if it turned out his mother was resurrected in front of him then tortured, and he found out about Tony messing with the gamma test etc etc at the same time, he might have gotten angrier - but with no such factors present, he cannot get any angrier.

You're just a Flash fanboy, stop hating ahah

Originally posted by Bentley
You're just a Flash fanboy, stop hating ahah

Nah. I love my boy Hulk here, he's my fav character. Reminds me of Wolverine (but green and with no claws).

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Nah. I love my boy Hulk here, he's my fav character. Reminds me of Wolverine (but green and with no claws).

I love both characters. No one is stronger, no one is faster. You cant beat that!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Nah. I love my boy Hulk here, he's my fav character. Reminds me of Wolverine (but green and with no claws).

The only things Hulk shares with Logan are STDs.

@Darksaint...

I think Hulk powers is dependent on his anger. I think that if he is angry, his power continues to increase, no matter the gist. Then when he is PISSED....it jumps up to another level. I think as long as he is angry his powers continues to grow, even if the anger levels isn't fluctuating which explains a lot of his fts imo. Hulk has achieved Abstract level fts, something that I wouldn't present Flash speed as imo. To each his own I guess.

Originally posted by Bentley
The only things Hulk shares with Logan are STDs.

Reported for bashing Carver.

Originally posted by riv6672
I love both characters. No one is stronger, no one is faster. You cant beat that!

Okay, but what you just said isn't true at all in terms of nobody being stronger or faster, even if you are just limiting that comment to referring to people from Marvel and DC. The Hulk doesn't have the best strength feats out of all Marvel characters that has ever existed. Same with the Flash, who is at the very least rivaled by Pre Crisis Superman when it comes to speed.

Originally posted by carver9
@Darksaint...

I think Hulk powers is dependent on his anger. I think that if he is angry, his power continues to increase, no matter the gist. Then when he is PISSED....it jumps up to another level. I think as long as he is angry his powers continues to grow, even if the anger levels isn't fluctuating which explains a lot of his fts imo. Hulk has achieved Abstract level fts, something that I wouldn't present Flash speed as imo. To each his own I guess.

Citing any time Hulk reached "abstract" levels doesn't really help the case though. Look I like Hulk too, and I do think he can get pretty damn strong, but him getting strong enough to fight IG level beings is..well, it kind of just hurts even typing that out. Even as broken as Flash is, you don't really see him taking on high end cosmics.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Way I saw it, yes, the Hulk has limitless anger and thus, limitless strength.

But he needs to be able to get that angry. THAT is the valve, the limiting factor, on him.

We argue in character. Not just a powerset. What makes Peter Parker angry, for example, wouldn't make Banner angry, and vice-versa.

Therefore, in order to really take full advantage of his limitless anger, you need external stimuli to get him angry - and keep adding it on.

Losing his wife and unborn child, his entire home, thanks to his 'friend', being a massive dick to his other friends as a result of it, being able to finally cut loose without fear of killing someone, THE Betty kissing Tyrannus etc - all those factors piled on top of each other gave us the World Breaker.

And he was explicitly said to be the angriest he had ever been. Multiple times.

Could he have gotten angrier? Well, there's no cap on it - perhaps if it turned out his mother was resurrected in front of him then tortured, and he found out about Tony messing with the gamma test etc etc at the same time, he might have gotten angrier - but with no such factors present, he cannot get any angrier.

Well said and I think you nailed it. Hulk needs 'help' to get continuously angry, whereas Flash just needs to try and go faster, and he will. It's not even really debatable imo.

Okay, but what you just said isn't true at all in terms of nobody being stronger or faster, even if you are just limiting that comment to referring to people from Marvel and DC. The Hulk doesn't have the best strength feats out of all Marvel characters that has ever existed. Same with the Flash, who is at the very least rivaled by Pre Crisis Superman when it comes to speed.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Way I saw it, yes, the Hulk has limitless anger and thus, limitless strength.

But he needs to be able to get that angry. THAT is the valve, the limiting factor, on him.

We argue in character. Not just a powerset. What makes Peter Parker angry, for example, wouldn't make Banner angry, and vice-versa.

Therefore, in order to really take full advantage of his limitless anger, you need external stimuli to get him angry - and keep adding it on.

Losing his wife and unborn child, his entire home, thanks to his 'friend', being a massive dick to his other friends as a result of it, being able to finally cut loose without fear of killing someone, THE Betty kissing Tyrannus etc - all those factors piled on top of each other gave us the World Breaker.

And he was explicitly said to be the angriest he had ever been. Multiple times.

Could he have gotten angrier? Well, there's no cap on it - perhaps if it turned out his mother was resurrected in front of him then tortured, and he found out about Tony messing with the gamma test etc etc at the same time, he might have gotten angrier - but with no such factors present, he cannot get any angrier.

He relies on external plot stuff to reach these levels.

Like i already said, easier for Flash to run fast.