Originally posted by eaebiakuya
You are right. A feat like, changing cloths at superspeed shows he can fight at super speed. But for some guys here, if its not a punch, then it is not combat feat no matter what the guy did 😆 they think punching something is somehow magical, even if the guy can move the arm at superspeed, he cant punch in superspeed 😆Im sure some will say this picture above not prove that Superman can fight at superspeed:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/36257/1170558-36.jpg
or this :
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/58664/1725091-superman709_016.jpg
😆 what???? thinking like that makes no sense; fighting at superspeeds requires moving and reacting at that speed rate, not to mention fighting at that rate would require observation, perception; noticing every movement. Combat speed= Reaction Speed= Perception.
LOL those scans.
Plutonian's feat of perceiving a picosecond-long transmission, and proceeding to outrace said signal back to Modeus' base, always impressed me:
http://i.imgur.com/uy10ejN.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bRm5VWw.jpg
Originally posted by The Gray GhostDa ****? Where did you get that it's non canon?
Even leaving aside the fact that that is some weird twisting of words to make that a feat for post crisis supes, you are straight up using a non canon story for a feat
And what twisting?
As in this, directly contradicts post crisis continuity and the whole Gog storyline that actually ran through the Superman monthlies( where Gog meets , kills supes for the first time tying in with OWAW) not to mention Thy Kingdom Come
That's one of the continuity plot holes. Superman said he met someone named Zod for the first time in Last Son. He had previously fought someone named zod for six times. That doesn't mean all the previous stories are non canon.
Superman said he would explode in a nanosecond. It happened earlier than that. What's dubious in that feat then? Are you trying to discard the whole feat because he said "his timing was a little off"?The other feat is equally dubious but lets ignore that for now....
" the blast went off sooner than expected"? seriously?
Thats your response? Not " he didnt make it in time?"
Especially considering we are talking about " But Im not FTl, lend me speed Wally!" post crisis supes here
So someone from CBR. I can post silver surfer and Gladiator needing help to go FTL too. Meaning all their speed feats go in toilet, right?
Originally posted by The Gray GhostHey, "a nanosecond" is vague now?
Nah dude not one scene. Im going to give the whole argument in a sec
As for that feat
1) we have only supermans word that its a nanosecond, and that too " I give myself ABOUT a nanosecond", rather vague. could be more, could be less
2) the explosion happened sooner rather than later, and supes notes his timing was off, ergo, he fell short off his own vague timerSo it happened before a nanosecond? So?
Also the whole instance does not happen in a nanosecond. Braniac was taking a fair bit of time between the burps, superman had to move the fortress and get the baby there, by which time he approximately had a nanosecond leftThat's some really shitty logic. It was a superhuman baby of Ultraman and Superwoman.
Given his history of reaction feats, and his own statements after id say he took longerAnd it certainly has nothing to do with the fact that you're from CBR where every superman feat of going FTL is considered PIS?
Originally posted by The Gray GhostFalse, he fainted due to the stress of time travel along with Superboy.
Ok here goes
Superman fainted from trying to go FTL in action 591
His race with Wally, going all out had him topping out at several times the speed of soundOn foot. That's still faster than someone like Gladiator has ever ran.
Various instances through the 90s of Waverider, the Linear Men etc freezing him in time just as example, action comics annual 3, ftl speed being a pre requiste for time travel in dcAnd him speeding out of a time stop in Superman 73.
So?
the aforementioned jla 21 where he himself screams " Im not FTL" before proceeding to take speed from wally to achieve the same
the human race, where electric blue supes actually lags behind various lightspeed flashesIronically, Superman Blue was explicitly FTL.
And he was still slower than regular Superman.
ok ....what else , superman 191 , dude barely approaches lightspeedInside a black hole. Surfer thought he would be trapped inside one forever if not for shrinking into microverse. Heck, even Runner couldn't run out of one.
his race/chase vs Jay " slower than light, barely faster when going all out" GarrickI don't know why you'd bring Jay in this. He would shit all over anyone not named Wally or Barry in feats.
Nanosecond reaction time and Superman made him look like a statue.
being called and shown in fights to be Adam/ Marvels equal , they of struggling to keep up with Jay approaching lightspeed fameThat's an odd way to lowball.
being called slower than lightrayRan circles around Lightray in Superman Confidential.
being dianas speed equal( ignoring the batman rubbish), she of struggling to keep up with Jesse quick entering the speed force fameThat's some other odd way to lowball. She herself admitted that Superman has greater raw speed than her.
being called slower than light by Dr LightThat's taken as gospel when the writer committed that he was writing Superman less powerful than usual. And he blitzed Amazo with the combined speed of Flash, himself and Diana.
being consistenty blitzed by time travelling ftl types Wally, Barry , ZolomonOther than Zoloman, wrong on all accounts.
Basically throughout his post crisis career, supes has always been portrayed as the rough speed equal of Diana, Jonn, the marvels, Jay and most non wally west flashes, and all of them consistenty show just lightspeed reactions or in most cases, a little below thatHaha, go here and educate yourself.
so yeah, dudes slower than light imoYour opinion is sponsored by Pendaran?
Originally posted by The Gray Ghost
Ok here goes
Superman fainted from trying to go FTL in action 591
His race with Wally, going all out had him topping out at several times the speed of sound
Various instances through the 90s of Waverider, the Linear Men etc freezing him in time just as example, action comics annual 3, ftl speed being a pre requiste for time travel in dc
the aforementioned jla 21 where he himself screams " Im not FTL" before proceeding to take speed from wally to achieve the same
the human race, where electric blue supes actually lags behind various lightspeed flashes
ok ....what else , superman 191 , dude barely approaches lightspeed
his race/chase vs Jay " slower than light, barely faster when going all out" Garrick
being called and shown in fights to be Adam/ Marvels equal , they of struggling to keep up with Jay approaching lightspeed fame
being called slower than lightray
being dianas speed equal( ignoring the batman rubbish), she of struggling to keep up with Jesse quick entering the speed force fame
being called slower than light by Dr Light
being consistenty blitzed by time travelling ftl types Wally, Barry , ZolomonBasically throughout his post crisis career, supes has always been portrayed as the rough speed equal of Diana, Jonn, the marvels, Jay and most non wally west flashes, and all of them consistenty show just lightspeed reactions or in most cases, a little below that
so yeah, dudes slower than light imo
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Superman%20speed/FTL%20Feats/Space%20Flight
There's a few FTL examples from Superman. And those are just space flight. And not all of them. And being Diana's speed equal? Being shown to be Black Adam's/Captain Marvel's speed equal? Superman fighting them doesn't mean they were fighting at super speed. I don't even know of a straight-up fight they've had where speed was specified. Abhi posted Supes making Jay look like a statue. Superman also caught-up to an amped Jay when Jay temporarily stopped him with a speed steal, meaning he had to be faster than the amped Jay. And more. There's too many examples of Superman being FTL to buy your argument.
Originally posted by The Gray Ghost
It happening in less time than supermans vague estimation and him failing to react to this, does leave the question of how fast he actually reacted, dangling tantalizingly doesnt it? and brilliantly leaves the question of whether he reacted in less than, more or exactly a nanosoecond, wonderfully answered and left free for speculation, nevermind his own statements of failing to do what he set out to do
Your argument rests on assuming the explosion taking LESS time to happen means he was slower than the scene showed.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Da ****? Where did you get that it's non canon?
And what twisting?
talking about stuff like " im a nanosecond ahead of you, " which comes across more as a figure of speech than anything, doesnt particularly seem a conclusive assessment of supermans speed at all to me, im afraid
agree to disagree on these sort of feats
something like the hal jordan one is a far better and clear cut feat( and also vastly inconsistent with any of his speed showings at that time, or indeed throughout his career)
That's one of the continuity plot holes. Superman said he met someone named Zod for the first time in Last Son. He had previously fought someone named zod for six times. That doesn't mean all the previous stories are non canon.
supermans history was altered after infinite crisis and though far be it for me to waive away all the stuff preceeding this, sure he might not immediately recognise a Zod with a completely different origin, especially given the unique characteristics of each version, at least two of whom were alt universe versions
hey i checked their first meeting again. where does he say hes never heard of zod?
There was no retcon between the kingdom and gogs first canon appearance. the version of the story told in kingdom completely differs from the one in jsa, both of which branch off from the original kingdom come. and heck i dont recall a single reference to kingdom in a canon comic as opposed to the jsa storyline
see the difference between the two now?
Superman said he would explode in a nanosecond. It happened earlier than that. What's dubious in that feat then?
the only thing that happened was superman admitting his timing being off, which could mean a lot of things from supes not being fast enough to the blast going off earlier. only one thing is clear, and that is that supes didnt do the job properly
which casts reasonable doubt to the validity of the feat, and makes it in my opinion not a " clean feat" if you will, certainly given his history of otherwise proclaiming himself to be slower than light
Are you trying to discard the whole feat because he said "his timing was a little off"?
So someone from CBR.
I can post silver surfer and Gladiator needing help to go FTL too. Meaning all their speed feats go in toilet, right?
because i can sure do the same for superman/ jay/ adam and /or wonder woman struggling to achieve lightspeed and in supes and jays case , specifically noting their own abiities to be slower than light
ive already made a longish post on this in this thread so im just going to say read my last post
Originally posted by Mindset
Why do you guys ruin every thread?
Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, it's f*cking ridiculous.
Originally posted by carver9the irony of you Carter acting high and mighty on this subject is a joke.
👆I noticed you don't post as many Superman scans like you use too. Oh well, let's sit back and enjoy the show.
