Originally posted by Surtur
The problem is, Loki, in comics, isn't really portrayed as being strong on that level. It's just bad writing, it doesn't mean he's suddenly a class 90 like Captain Britain. Loki has never been like that, or anywhere close.Let me put it to you another way: If Thor and Loki decided to get into an arm wrestling contest? Loki would lose horribly.
Yes you are correct Loki would lose horribly, but so would Ben, and Captain Britain. Let's not forget that Loki is a great deal more agile than Ben as well. This has to count for something. Strength is not the end all and be all. Look at how many times the more agile character has come out on top of the slower but stronger brute. Comics, and their plots are the reason that Loki didn't win 90% of his battles with Thor. I mean he always preps for his battles, and there were a number of ways that he could have killed Thor in the past, but plot dictated that such was never going to happen. All the same Loki has enough strength to hurt Ben, and has the agility to stay out of range, not to mention the idea that he is ancient, and isn't a stranger to combat, as well as being vastly smarter than Ben.
Originally posted by riv6672
Why do pepple keep thinking Ben's not agile? Part of his power set is he kept his human (ace pilot/veteran boxer and h2h) speed agility and reflexes....
Yes but there are different levels of agility. Loki is fast as heck. You saw the scan of him slap slap slapping the shit out of Masterson Thor didn't you? it takes a great deal of strength to do that. Masterson hammered Gladiator into KO-ville.
Originally posted by riv6672
I saw strength. I didnt see him slapping agiley.
Either way, Ben wins this. Whether its easily, hard, or somewhere in between, is academic.
I'd just like to point out that Gladiator beat the crap out of Ben without contest. The guy that was slapped into a kayoed state put gladiator out for the count, and Loki beat the crap out of him, and Beta Ray Bill. I don't see Ben doing that. The Things very physique goes against him being overly agile like Loki is. Loki has the strength, and physique to run circles around Ben, not to mention that his physiology makes him tire far slower than a mortal like the Thing. Loki could literally pick his shots and make them count. He wins this by a landslide.
Originally posted by riv6672
I, and a lot of others disagree.
Good fight in any event. Not one you see here a lot.
At first I thought Ben would take it as well, but then I had to think long and hard about it. The reason that you don't see Loki pressing sky scrapers is because it's not in his character. The same can be said of Thanos, and Ultron, but this does not mean that they aren't crazy strong. Loki is a power house.
Originally posted by TheHulk
Loki is more stronger than people give him credit for but meh...i give it to Ben.
Based on what? Loki has greater endurance, is faster, and has shown that he was strong enough to slap Masterson Thor out with 4 hits, and then take it to Beta Ray Bill. I don't see how Ben wins this?
Originally posted by StoicI'm going to be the very idiot odd one here and ignore those fts.
Based on what? Loki has greater endurance, is faster, and has shown that he was strong enough to slap Masterson Thor out with 4 hits, and then take it to Beta Ray Bill. I don't see how Ben wins this?
edit: Okay you know what? that was a very bad way of putting it. I guess what i meant to say was that i'm in doubts of those combat fts.
EVERYbody knows that the fear itself arc was complete crap... Angir demolishes RULK but gets a hole blown through his chest by Mjolnir returning back to THOR.
Strength wise Loki is at best CL50 while Ben is mid CL100... Loki is faster and more agile than Ben. But, he isn't faster nor more agile than Spiderman.
H2H this is pure spite. Ben wins 11/10
Originally posted by Damborgson
Loki's pretty damn strong, even if Masterson isn't Thor.
There context to that? Taking it at face value, I'd put Loki well above Masterson-Thor going by that.
Originally posted by Stoic
I'd just like to point out that Gladiator beat the crap out of Ben without contest. The guy that was slapped into a kayoed state put gladiator out for the count, and Loki beat the crap out of him, and Beta Ray Bill. I don't see Ben doing that. The Things very physique goes against him being overly agile like Loki is. Loki has the strength, and physique to run circles around Ben, not to mention that his physiology makes him tire far slower than a mortal like the Thing. Loki could literally pick his shots and make them count. He wins this by a landslide.
IIRC, Masterson-Thor was losing the fight until Living Lightning became involved. I know the owning came AFTER Living Lightning.
Originally posted by TheHulk
I'm going to be the very idiot odd one here and ignore those fts.edit: Okay you know what? that was a very bad way of putting it. I guess what i meant to say was that i'm in doubts of those combat fts.
The feat happened. ignore it if you want, but that does not mean that it did not happen. It's not idiotic, it's denial that has gripped you.
Originally posted by Tony Stark
EVERYbody knows that the fear itself arc was complete crap... Angir demolishes RULK but gets a hole blown through his chest by Mjolnir returning back to THOR.Strength wise Loki is at best CL50 while Ben is mid CL100... Loki is faster and more agile than Ben. But, he isn't faster nor more agile than Spiderman.
H2H this is pure spite. Ben wins 11/10
A class 50 isn't doing that to Masterson Thor. Stay away from those handbook strength entries, because Spiderman alone has done things that have surpassed the 50 ton range.
Originally posted by Delta1938
There context to that? Taking it at face value, I'd put Loki well above Masterson-Thor going by that.IIRC, Masterson-Thor was losing the fight until Living Lightning became involved. I know the owning came AFTER Living Lightning.
iirc the Thing was unable to even make Gladiator flinch with his best Sunday punch. This is something that should also be taken into consideration. Beta Ray Bill was busting planets, and even managed to scar Galactus when he appeared in the Storm Breaker mini. Loki was actually able to hurt him to the point of a KO.