All Braga did was TK them while they were talking, and threw a monitor. He missed, and even when they were disarmed from being TK'd, he allowed the HoT to recover in seconds. Nothing suggests it was anything more than that. Backed up by two people will bare minimum showings, they lose almost every time. Braga's got insane endurance, but none of that matters when you're defeated by a superior combatant.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
I... I don't even... what?!
Kao also send Vindican (a Sith Inquisitor) packing across the hall with a blast of power, which is also indicative of very impressive telekinetic prowess.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Lifting a large multi-tonned object (i.e. starship engine) and hurling it like a missile towards a target is certainly a depiction of telekinetic prowess that is on par with that of Dooku's, if not better.Kao also send Vindican (a Sith Inquisitor) packing across the hall with a blast of power, which is also indicative of very impressive telekinetic prowess.
No it isn't. Dooku's feats are better than that.
But if you want another feat of Force Mastery, recall that Kao was able to block Vindican's lightning, contain it in his blade and then "throw" it at Malgus. Considering that deflecting lightning is supposed to be almost impossible and that neither Kao nor anyone else in the Order at the time had faced a Sith in combat, this is a highly impressive display of Force Mastery.
Vader has never been one of those EU characters that's been noteworthy for producing any high level feats in the grand scheme of things, nor has he got any wins against truly elite Force Users. At best he beats up on low level darksiders the Empire had in its employ or does some decent street level telekinesis. In what way does he stand out in the grand scheme of things, or when has he ever defeated a trio of Force Users on this level?
There are many ways to prove you're a top tier Force User, that's just one of them, you don't have to have defeated a top tier Force User to be one yourself. The point I'm making is that Vader doesn't really perform in any capacity to be what I'd consider a truly elite Force User, he doesn't have quantifiably incredible feats, he doesn't have great feats against other Force Users. In the grand scheme of things, I'm talking about here.
Originally posted by appletonia
There are many ways to prove you're a top tier Force User, that's
just one of them,
Spoiler:
most probably because of the horrific realizaiton that Bane has zero wins against "elite force users"
Originally posted by appletonia
you don't have to have defeated a top tier Force User to be one yourself.
Originally posted by appletonia
The point I'm making is that Vader doesn't really perform in any capacity to be what I'd consider a truly elite Force User,he doesn't have quantifiably incredible feats, he doesn't have great feats against other Force Users.
Originally posted by appletonia
In the grand scheme of things, I'm talking about here.
Bane at the very least has performed admirably against truly elite Force Users in Zannah and Kas'im, and groups of BM-amped Jedi involving people as good as Raskta Lsu and Farfalla. And he's utterly dominated lesser, but still council level Force Users with absolutely ridiculous ease, such as Qordis.
Originally posted by appletonia
Bane at the very least has performed admirably against truly elite Force Users in Zannah and Kas'im, and groups of BM-amped Jedi involving people as good as Raskta Lsu and Farfalla. And he's utterly dominated lesser, but still council level Force Users with absolutely ridiculous ease, such as Qordis.
And... Vader force feats vastly outstrip those of Bane.
Originally posted by Stigma
But originally you used it to discredit Vader somehow, now you're backtracking, I see.Spoiler:
most probably because of the horrific realizaiton that Bane has zero wins against "elite force users"
"Vader has never been one of those EU characters that's been noteworthy for producing any high level feats in the grand scheme of things, nor has he got any wins against truly elite Force Users."
I was quite clearly making the point I just described, which is that he has neither great feats against other Force Users, or quantifiably great individual feats.
Which is the oppposite of what you originally intended. But I agree.
See above.
Vader has better force feats then 99% of SW characters. This screams elite.
We typically deal with the top few percent in this forum, and that's who I'm comparing him to, not the bottom 99%. There's a world of difference between the people at the top of that 1%, and people at the bottom of it.
In the grand scheme of things, Vader is the Chosen One. In fact, there is no Star Wars without Anakin/Vader.
And never comes a tiny bit close to reaching that potential, in fact his inability to do so is subject to much exploration in the works that he's been featured in. He possibly had the greatest natural Force potential out of any character, but in terms of acquired power, he's nowhere near the best that we've come across.
Originally posted by Stigma
Ohhh, I see where is the problem... You think Kas'im and Zannah are "elite" LOL.And... Vader force feats vastly outstrip those of Bane.
Zannah has performed feats arguably as great as Vader's best when she was an untrained child, and by DOE is fully trained, has some of the best sorcery we've ever seen, and power wise at the very least is right up there with Bane. Kas'im is probably the greatest techncial swordsman we've ever come across, and was able to protect himself from Bane's temple destroying Force wave, and Bane faced him with only a couple of years of training. I think both can easily be considered elite.