Originally posted by Stigma
and being 80% of the most powerful Sith Lord to ever live.
This has never been adequately sourced, nor has it been adequately established to be a serious quantification, nor has it been adequately explained exactly what that means with respect to force power, control, knowledge, lightsaber technique, and the other variety of elements that add up to a character's combat prowess, which is what we deal with in these versus threads.
Originally posted by appletoniaNo one really assumes non-canon sources are going to be used. And just because we're talking about Bane who's feats are exclusively in the Legends continuity doesn't mean we have to limit other characters feats to just Legends. That's just stupid. And there isn't any contradictions in the new source material that should deem it to be inapplicable.
It goes without saying... they're separate continuities bro. Does the OP also have to specify that we can't use feats from Infinities?
Originally posted by appletonia
The difference is that Son of Dathomir is an adaptation of unproduced scripts from the TCW cartoon (which exists in the Legends canon), that would have been produced as part of the show if it hadn't been cancelled. It's easy to see why people would make the distinction.
I'm not opposed to power scaling, I just don't do it by default, and there's a big difference between power scaling between sources that deal with the same characters, and sources that are set from different time periods.
TFU is purposefully an unrealistic portrayal of what these characetrs can do, and is incompatible with how they are usually depicted. That doesn't mean however, that a character from a differen era and of a different nature, Nihilus for example, can't simply be that powerful, and by extension much more powerful than the movie characters. You're conflating two different issues really.
Originally posted by |King Joker|
[B]No one really assumes non-canon sources are going to be used.
Same with with Disney canon when dealing with Legend canon, and vice versa. Each one is non-canon with respecy to the other, aside from the few bits of shared material.
And just because we're talking about Bane who's feats are exclusively in the Legends continuity doesn't mean we have to limit other characters feats to just Legends. That's just stupid. And there isn't any contradictions in the new source material that should deem it to be inapplicable.
There don't have to be direct, specific contradictions, that they take place in a continuity that we know is separate and will be ignoring any constraints imposed by the original continuity is good enough.
Originally posted by appletonia
This has never been adequately sourced, nor has it been adequately established to be a serious quantification, nor has it been adequately explained exactly what that means with respect to force power, control, knowledge, lightsaber technique, and the other variety of elements that add up to a character's combat prowess, which is what we deal with in these versus threads.
[Sids]It is you who are mistaken, about great many things.[/Sids] *shoots lightning*
"Anakin, as Skywalker, as a human being, was going to be extremely powerful,” he says. “But he ended up losing his arms and a leg and became partly a robot. So a lot of his ability to use the Force, a lot of his powers, are curbed at this point, because, as a living form, there’s not that much of him left. So his ability to be twice as good as the Emperor disappeared, and now he’s maybe 20 percent less than the Emperor."
(Taken from Vanity Fair interview "Star Wars: The Last Battle."😉
Also found here:
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2005/02/star-wars-george-lucas-story
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
[B]That hamster you're spinning must be getting pretty tired to be honest. SoD doesn't exist in Legends anymore than SoD does. It's also based on canceled episodes. It is not those canceled episodes. It's a different continuity.
You seem to think I'm invested in whatever debate there has been about SOD. I could care less, I was simply explaining why people would make the distinction.
Thanks for sharing. Not relevant at all because you don't with TFU. Not when it concerns someone like Starkiller who I've seen you tote as one of the strongest in the mythos. By their duel in TFU II, Vader would be just as capable. Vader's TK feats on Kashyyyk there aren't too shabby either.I'm talking about your double standards. I'm not conflating any issues. You're dodging because you don't want to admit Bane isn't all that and a bag of chips. Eras don't need power scaling. The time period something happens in is irrelevant. Nihilus has crazy feats greater than anything I've seen from most of TFU and isn't relevant to this conversation.
You are conflating the issues. Power scaling when taking into account things like differences in the medium and stuff like that is one thing and usually subjective. This is more about canon policy. Things that are incompatible with higher forms of canon, or more up to date, consistent parts of canon, immediately become questionable. I have absolutely not been dealing in double standards and I have dodged nothing.
Originally posted by Stigma
Um... [app]keeptrollingandireportokbro? [/app] 😮💨[Sids]It is you who are mistaken, about great many things.[/Sids] *shoots lightning*
[b]"Anakin, as Skywalker, as a human being, was going to be extremely powerful,” he says. “But he ended up losing his arms and a leg and became partly a robot.
So a lot of his ability to use the Force, a lot of his powers, are curbed at this point, because, as a living form, there’s not that much of him left. So his ability to be twice as good as the Emperor disappeared, and now he’s maybe 20 percent less than the Emperor."(Taken from Vanity Fair interview "Star Wars: The Last Battle."😉
Also found here:
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2005/02/star-wars-george-lucas-story [/B]
Right because that totally sounds like a well thought out, official figure he's declaring.[/sarcasm] I guess it's official that he's "maybe 20% less than the Emperor". Good job.
Originally posted by appletoniaThe "original" continuity is what it's abiding to, though. The movies, TCW, etc. which to my understanding you think of to be lacking in terms of characters Force feats. The source material in which Vader crushes the AT-AT has an entire group of writers and overseers whose entire purpose is to make sure it abides by the main canon and is in line with other source material.
There don't have to be direct, specific contradictions, that they take place in a continuity that we know is separate and will be ignoring any constraints imposed by the original continuity is good enough.
That they're claiming to try and make the new continuity more in line with the movies, that they're trying to make the new continuity more in line with the movies, and that they're actually making the new continuity more in line with the movies, are all different things. You can't say that the new feats are necessarily in line with the movies simply because they claim that it's one of their objectives with the new canon. Again, I didn't look at it because of spoilers, but if it's truly in line with the movies then it should be pretty low level telekinesis (given that the likes of Yoda and Sidious struggle with this in the movies), in which case the feat wouldn't be that impressive.
Originally posted by appletonia
Right because that totally sounds like a well thought out, official figure he's declaring.[/sarcasm] I guess it's official that he's "maybe 20% less than the Emperor". Good job.
Perhaps you should contact him and explain that his tone was inappropriate and he sounded "not well-thought out enough" to suit appletonia's standards for SW official info.
Keep trolling 👆