Ukraine

Should the United States and/or NATO start giving lethal arms to the Ukranian military to help fight against the pro-Russian separatists that are slowly but surely gaining ground in eastern Ukraine? Do you think that would help the situation there or just worsen it? DISCUSS, PEOPLE!

1: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/10/opinion/europe-leaders-debate-aid-to-ukraine-but-not-russias-transgressions.html?_r=0
2: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/02/09/384943451/ukraine-likely-to-top-obama-merkel-talks-agenda
3: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/02/10/fighting-in-eastern-ukraine-intensifies-ahead-planned-peace-summit/

There's much more going on in Ukraine than we hear about. Ukraine is being painted as being a nice western loving democracy being attacked by fascistic, imperialist Russia. The reality is that Ukraine is being infested with ever more right-wing neo nazi elements in positions of power. Vadim Troyan being an example. It's far more complex than is being made out.

Originally posted by jaden101
The reality is that Ukraine is being infested with ever more right-wing neo nazi elements in positions of power. Vadim Troyan being an example. It's far more complex than is being made out.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Not really. There are a few Neo-Nazi figures in somewhat high positions, but no one higher than deputy defense minister, and in the last presidential election Far Right parties captured a mere 5% of the vote.

The problem is that the de facto influence of the Far Right has little to do with the amount of votes they've got.

Originally posted by Bentley
The problem is that the de facto influence of the Far Right has little to do with the amount of votes they've got.

Because as I said, their highest official is a deputy defense minister. That's a consolation appointment if I ever saw one.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31430230

Hopefully an agreement can be reached. Many civilians are dying from the constant shelling of the cities.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31430230

Hopefully an agreement can be reached. Many civilians are dying from the constant shelling of the cities.

Yo, are you Devil King? If so, welcome back.

Additionally, civvie deaths are unacceptable.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yo, are you Devil King? If so, welcome back.

Additionally, civvie deaths are unacceptable.

Yes, agreed.

Three reasons the U.S. should not arm Ukraine: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2015/02/11/3-reasons-why-u-s-should-not-arm-ukraine/

What do y'all think?

This awesome little clip has recently been aired on a Kremlin-sponsored Russian TV channel. You don't have to know Russian to understand what it's about.
YouTube video

Did they actually use ****ing Red Alert music?

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Did they actually use ****ing Red Alert music?

Uhh, don't think so.

looooool

Originally posted by Omega Vision
What does it have to do with then?

Influence with power groups and enterprises is always a must in any kind of political agenda.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Because as I said, their highest official is a [b]deputy defense minister. That's a consolation appointment if I ever saw one. [/B]

I actually count that among my blessings. I still consider Far Right groups a huge problem when it comes to helping Ukraine out of the current conflict, they are profitters.

Yes, it's distasteful, but it's much better than inaction against Far Right groups in Moscow waging an active war against Ukraine as we speak.

EDIT: Not to mention, the Far Right is not currently in charge of Ukraine. I wish I could say the same for Russia.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Uhh, don't think so.

YouTube video

Originally posted by Bentley
Influence with power groups and enterprises is always a must in any kind of political agenda.

I actually count that among my blessings. I still consider Far Right groups a huge problem when it comes to helping Ukraine out of the current conflict, they are profitters.*

*profiteers

I never do this (correct spelling/grammar nazi bullshit) but this is one word I used to mess up for ages until someone corrected me.

So they reached a ceasefire deal. Hopefully it'll last unlike last time...

THere was something new today? or the one i heard yesterday.. that didnt sound very stabile (?)

The new ceasefire deal is even less convincing than the original one because it's less comprehensive and more tenuous this time around. By saying "the ceasefire line will be whatever the frontline is as of Saturday night," the Russians are essentially promising that the Separatists will engage in an all-out blitz to seize as much ground as possible by that time.