Kyp Durron vs. DoE Bane

Originally posted by Nephthys
Not necessarily. That feat is kind of unquantifiable, for various reasons. I don't consider it superior to Bane's best TK feats. Especially when his feats translate much smoother into combat situations.

And you didn't respond to my point about Bane's lightning. Should I assume you accept it then?

Again you can deny it all you want but his lightning was dodged, and so what if you don't consider his showing superior? Do you actually have anything for Bane that he's done off nexus that's superior to Kyp's black hole or Freighter feat? Ok.

Originally posted by carthage
You made the point to "focus" power as if it makes a difference that it would matter in a general sense. Kyp is still vastly more powerful than Bane and even if he had to "focus" his power, it wouldn't matter because nothing Bane can do would bother him. So what if Kenth ragdolled Corran, Kenth still hasn't manipulated freighters or black holes or accomplished anything Kyp has. Nice false comparison though 👆

Kyp's power is sufficient enough to ragdoll Bane at any point during a fight.

Ur right about kenth though, he hasnt done any of those things and is probably one of the weakest masters in the njo. Yet he still ragdolled kyp. Good job at emphasizing how weak kyps force defence is.

Its cool that u keep saying he has sufficient power to ragdoll him at any point, now all u have to do is prove it and you'll have the beginnings of an actual argument.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Not necessarily. That feat is kind of unquantifiable, for various reasons. I don't consider it superior to Bane's best TK feats. Especially when his feats translate much smoother into combat situations.

Someone who can manipulate a black hole has enough power to ragdoll someone whose best feat off nexus is killing non-force sensitives. It's rather simple.

It's like saying that someone who can pick up a track and throw it cannot pick up a human being and break him in half. The simple calculation on power needed to pick up a track means that he can easily apply this power to push around (and kill) a person.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And you didn't respond to my point about Bane's lightning. Should I assume you accept it then?

Originally posted by Raptor22
it makes a huge difference since ya know here he wont have time to focus his power, and hasnt displayed that same power without the time to focus it. Unless u think bane is going to go all dragon ball z and let kyp power up a tk blast.

Ur right about kenth though, he hasnt done any of those things and is probably one of the weakest masters in the njo. Yet he still ragdolled kyp. Good job at emphasizing how weak kyps force defence is.

Its cool that u keep saying he has sufficient power to ragdoll him at any point, now all u have to do is prove it and you'll have the beginnings of an actual argument.

He blasted him back once but still doesn't have superior feats to Kyp overall, I guess Savage is more powerful than Dooku since he choked him and Barris is more powerful than Anakin since she blasted him back 👆 Bane needed to charge up with nexus energy to destroy rubble of the Rakatan temple, Kyp had to focus off nexus to manipulate an entire ship. If the power disparity isn't obvious, lol.

Again having to charge means nothing when you're more powerful than your opponent overall. Try to comprehend that. Show me a single off nexus feat that Bane has done that is superior to Kyp manipulating a freighter, and you'll have a case.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well similarly I don't think there's any valid point is suggesting that Kyp can ragdoll Bane. Kyp seriously isn't much more powerful than Bane nor is he more powerful at all. If we're playing that game I'll just suggest that Bane one-shots Kyp with lightning, since he has no feats of repelling lightning as powerful as Bane's. And since Bane has superior reaction and speed feats he attacks first.

Kyp being an expert duelist doesn't make him a threat to Bane.

lol @ posters being branded trolls because they think Bane loses.

Originally posted by Raptor22
just to be fair to both sides, kyp did absorb and dispell jainas lightning fairly easily. I dont think hers is nearly as powerful as banes but she did burn holes thru a couple vong, so it at least shows he familiar with the technique.

This is enough to seal the deal in favour of Kyp tbh.

Neph routinely makes the claim that his lightning will kill someone, when a featless guy dodged it while he was amped by orbalisks.

I'm pretty sure that claim is now thoroughly debunked.

Originally posted by ILS
lol @ posters being branded trolls because they think Bane loses.

That's not the reason, and for the record ILS, you're one of the very worst.

At least he isn't a sock 👆

Originally posted by carthage
Neph routinely makes the claim that his lightning will kill someone, when a featless guy dodged it while he was amped by orbalisks.

I'm pretty sure that claim is now thoroughly debunked.

And this is Dynasty of Evil Bane here, no Orbalisk to amp him.

Originally posted by carthage
At least he isn't a sock 👆

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Originally posted by Stigma
I don't see why it's a problem to you. And tbh it's rather an artificial obstacle that you make in order to sidestep the obvious.

Someone who can manipulate a black hole has enough power to ragdoll someone whose best feat off nexus is killing non-force sensitives. It's rather simple.

It's like saying that someone who can pick up a track and throw it cannot pick up a human being and break him in half. The simple calculation on power needed to pick up a track means that he can easily apply this power to push around (and kill) a person.

How exactly Kyp was manipulating the black hole and how much force that would require is essential in quantifying the feat. Since I don't think that's ever really been done, I see it as an impressive but hardly overwhelming display. Especially given that Durron did it outside of combat in a favorable situation that he wouldn't have in combat.

No it doesn't. Bane has plenty of highly impressive TK feats. Trying to dismiss them using a nexus is an obvious attempt to sidestep that fact, and it always has been. Bane's feats of destroying the Lehon Temple, smashing a 30 meter metal gate and disintegrating a dozen technobeats with a flick of his wrist certainly suggest he can contend with Durron's TK.

Also, um, a track? Do you mean a truck?

Originally posted by Stigma
Um, I said I disagree. It can be dodged too.

Ah, I assumed you only meant about the TK. And Kyp can't dodge indefinitely. Especially if he repeats Hettons move of jumping, leaving him completely open in midair with no manner in which to evade. And this argument is very weak, you might as well dismiss all lightning like this.

Originally posted by Raptor22
just to be fair to both sides, kyp did absorb and dispell jainas lightning fairly easily. I dont think hers is nearly as powerful as banes but she did burn holes thru a couple vong, so it at least shows he familiar with the technique.

Jaina wasn't using the same levels of power against Kyp. Obviously she wasn't going to kill him and wouldn't be using near as much hatred and darkside power. And as you said, Bane's lightning vastly eclipses hers.

Originally posted by carthage
He blasted him back once but still doesn't have superior feats to Kyp overall, I guess Savage is more powerful than Dooku since he choked him and Barris is more powerful than Anakin since she blasted him back 👆 Bane needed to charge up with nexus energy to destroy rubble of the Rakatan temple, Kyp had to focus off nexus to manipulate an entire ship. If the power disparity isn't obvious, lol.

Again having to charge means nothing when you're more powerful than your opponent overall. Try to comprehend that.

I'm guessing the fact that Bane can't replicate any of those showings without additional energies/amps is beyond certain posters to understand.

Ah, I assumed you only meant about the TK. And Kyp can't dodge indefinitely. Especially if he repeats Hettons move of jumping, leaving him completely open in midair with no manner in which to evade. And this argument is very weak, you might as well dismiss all lightning like this.

You're right he can dodge them and absorb it with his lightsaber

Originally posted by Raptor22
having to charge means everything when he never displayed that power without charging, and wont have time to charge here. What dont u get about that?

facepalm

I'm guessing you cant comprehend the fact that Kyp's feats are superior to Bane's and can't actually show anything Bane has accomplished that's superior to Kyp's force feats. I'll chalk that up as a concession.

Originally posted by carthage
I'm guessing the fact that Bane can't replicate any of those showings without additional energies/amps is beyond certain posters to understand.

You're right he can dodge them and absorb them with his lightsaber

facepalm

I'm guessing you cant comprehend the fact that Kyp's feats are superior to Bane's and can't actually show anything Bane has accomplished that's superior to Kyp's force feats. I'll chalk that up as a concession.

Kyp also specifically notes that he needs to consciously force himself to draw on more power than he had in years when he performed the black hole feats iirc. It's not a level he performs at normally by his own admission.

Originally posted by Raptor22
i guess the fact that kyp cant and hasnt replicated his feats without time to charge them, and has never displayed that kind of power mid combat on the fly is hard to understand.

Which is irrelevant to the fact that Kyp is more powerful overall, and that simply charging them doesn't negate the fact Kyp actually can accomplish them (without external aid unlike Bane)

I repeat do you have anything that Bane has done that surpasses those feats without aid of a nexus. If not I think we're done here.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Kyp also specifically notes that he needs to consciously force himself to draw on more power than he had in years when he performed the black hole feats iirc. It's not a level he performs at normally by his own admission.

Are you sure you're not thinking of Luke? And proof?

Originally posted by carthage
Which is irrelevant to the fact that Kyp is more powerful overall, and that simply charging them doesn't negate the fact Kyp actually can accomplish them.

I repeat do you have anything that Bane has done that surpasses those feats without aid of a nexus. If not I think we're done here.

Are you sure you're not thinking of Luke? And proof?

Originally posted by Raptor22
why would i have to prove that bane can surpass feats that kyp cant replicate here?

He already performed them so its irrelevant whether or not you believe he can't unless you have proof he cant. Simply saying he needs to "gather power" obviously isn't proving your point, considering he accomplished said feat. This isn't terribly hard to understand. Given his power he can easily take out Bane like he did to Corran, unless you have showings of barrier or superior force feats Bane has accomplished