Death Stroke vs The Winter Soldier

Originally posted by Mindset
Strawman.

First, you'd have to prove it wouldn't kill him, which you can't.

Second, they'd both lose according to what we consider a win.

Bullets from small arms fire don't kill Slade, and that's not even considering his armor which is bullet proof. Slade is tough enough that arrows can't penetrate his skin. He also survived an exploding ship without any injuries.

I'd say it's more up to you to prove that it can kill him, as every single explosive or ballistic weapons used on him hasn't killed him or even seriously injured him... other than his eye of course.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Bullets from small arms fire don't kill Slade, and that's not even considering his armor which is bullet proof. Slade is tough enough that arrows can't penetrate his skin. He also survived an exploding ship without any injuries.

I'd say it's more up to you to prove that it can kill him, as every single explosive or ballistic weapons used on him hasn't killed him or even seriously injured him... other than his eye of course.

Oliver survived that same ship explosion without any injuries. When were explosives used on Slade?

No, it's up to you to actually prove your stance, what are you talking about? There's no evidence to show an explosion won't kill him.

Originally posted by Mindset
An arrow can easily pierce his eye, but you don't think a grenade to his face could kill him? That's not even mentioning the fact that you keep acting like it needs to kill him for WS to win. Obviously, bullets hurt him sans body armor, hence the body armor.

Oliver survived that same ship explosion without any injuries. When were explosives used on Slade?

No, it's up to you to actually prove your stance, what are you talking about? There's no evidence to show an explosion won't kill him.

I already provided proof of Slade surviving an explosion, without his armor, while unable to move under steel. I'm pretty sure an explosion of that magnitude is more powerful than grenades.

Besides even if grenades can kill him, let's not pretend his enhanced durability and armor won't give him an edge.

I see what your tactic here is. You're trying to keep all the focus on Slade and getting me to prove how he can survive a grenade to the face so that you can avoid having to defend how exactly WS can survive getting killed by any of Slade's weapons.

Let's face it, the grenade launcher might kill DS. But every weapon of DS can kill WS.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I already provided proof of Slade surviving an explosion, without his armor, while unable to move under steel. I'm pretty sure an explosion of that magnitude is more powerful than grenades.

Besides even if grenades can kill him, let's not pretend his enhanced durability and armor won't give him an edge.

I see what your tactic here is. You're trying to keep all the focus on Slade and getting me to prove how he can survive a grenade to the face so that you can avoid having to defend how exactly WS can survive getting killed by any of Slade's weapons.

Let's face it, the grenade launcher might kill DS. But every weapon of DS can kill WS.

I'm not trying to shift the focus at all. You brought the focus to Slade when you said a grenade couldn't take him out, which you have yet to prove with anything aside from him surviving an explosion that Oliver also survived.

I said pages ago that either one could kill each other with their weapons. No, a grenade will kill Slade unless you provide proof that it wouldn't, as would WS's other explosives. Hell, a bullet to the head may even take him out. Also, out of the two of them WS is the only one that has a weapon that will pretty much hit Slade with 100% accuracy, his magnetic explosive.

Originally posted by Mindset
Except you didn't provide proof. Oliver was in that same explosion without armor. Are you just not aware how powerful a grenade is? It won't give him much of any edge, armor does pretty much nothing to stop the explosive force of a grenade hurting the person on the receiving end. His durability is inferior to his armor's.

I'm not trying to shift the focus at all. You brought the focus to Slade when you said a grenade couldn't take him out, which you have yet to prove with anything aside from him surviving an explosion that Oliver also survived.

I said pages ago that either one could kill each other with their weapons. No, a grenade will kill Slade unless you provide proof that it wouldn't, as would WS's other explosives. Hell, a bullet to the head may even take him out. Also, out of the two of them WS is the only one that has a weapon that will pretty much hit Slade with 100% accuracy, his magnetic explosive.

I didn't say the grenade can't take him out. I said it's questionable whether the grenade can take him out considering his durability feats and his armor. I said he has a better chance at surviving a grenade than WS has of surviving a bullet.

Oliver was able to escape the brunt of the explosion of the ship. IIRC, he dove down into water. Slade was stuck in the middle of it.

Also, I don't know about that 100% accuracy you're talking about. If it was that easy to use those magnetic bombs why didn't WS simply use them against Cap and his shield?

Originally posted by FrothByte
I didn't say the grenade can't take him out. I said it's questionable whether the grenade can take him out considering his durability feats and his armor. I said he has a better chance at surviving a grenade than WS has of surviving a bullet.

Oliver was able to escape the brunt of the explosion of the ship. IIRC, he dove down into water. Slade was stuck in the middle of it.

Also, I don't know about that 100% accuracy you're talking about. If it was that easy to use those magnetic bombs why didn't WS simply use them against Cap and his shield?

Neither one were near to the epicenter of the explosion, we also don't know how much he was actually damaged by it.

It's as easy and point and shoot. He didn't use it against Cap, how does that disprove anything? Idk how this question seems like a logical thing to ask. He used it against Nick with no problem.