Originally posted by Star428
Not unless they went thru the training Hell that Rocky did in 4. If Apollo went thru same training that Rocky did in 4 then he might have a decent shot of beating Drago but without it he would get seriously hurt if not killed. His normal training routine wouldn't be adequate.
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Are you serious? Drago is clearly built up to be the toughest fight in the Rocky series besides Rocky himself. He killed Apollo in a few rounds. Apollo was still in good shape during the Drago fight. He wasn't like a nursing home patient. As stated, he's never had to train as hard as Rocky did in part iv. If he's lucky Drago will only KO him.
Originally posted by Lestov16Are you serious with your comments. Apollo was in shape. LOL in comparison to who?
Are you serious? Drago is clearly built up to be the toughest fight in the Rocky series besides Rocky himself. He killed Apollo in a few rounds. Apollo was still in good shape during the Drago fight. He wasn't like a nursing home patient. As stated, he's never had to train as hard as Rocky did in part iv. If he's lucky Drago will only KO him.
I like how the Drago fans like you say that Rocky was out of shape when Lang beat him but when it comes a fighter who was retired for about 7 years and didn't even trained hard and was over 40 years of age, you say he was in shape.
Drago wouldn't even get to hit Apollo that much. It would be just like the Ali and Foreman fight.
Originally posted by Robtard
-Drago > Rocky 1, Rocky 2 and Rocky 3-Rocky 3 > Apollo 2
-Drago should in all likelihood down Apollo 2, but not like he outright slaughtered Apollo 4
Still amazed that people who watched these films didn't understand the message that was being conveyed to the audience about Drago, politics etcs
Originally posted by Kotor3
I like how the Drago fans like you say that Rocky was out of shape when Lang beat him but when it comes a fighter who was retired for about 7 years and didn't even trained hard and was over 40 years of age, you say he was in shape.
Sure, if we ignore that it was explicitly stated and part of the plot that after Rocky II Rocky had cherry picked easy fights and it was explicitly shown that while Lang trained intensively for his first fight with Rocky, Rocky was slacking off and having fun
Originally posted by Kotor3
I'm still amazed that people like you don't understand that out of all the fighters in the Rocky universe, Apollo is the only fighter Rocky truly could not beat.
Pretty sure Balboa defeated Apollo in Rocky II and part of the plot of Rocky II was Apollo's questionable win over Bolboa in Rocky. Did you not follow?
Originally posted by Robtard
Sure, if we ignore that it was explicitly stated and part of the plot that after Rocky II Rocky had cherry picked easy fights and it was explicitly shown that while Lang trained intensively for his first fight with Rocky, Rocky was slacking off and having fun
He doesn't understood context, he just sees that Rocky was still champ and assumes that means Rocky was still in peak shape and mentally focused.
Originally posted by RobtardSo you are comparing a person who was an active fighter to a person who was in retirement? Apollo did not trained at all in part I but he was still in shape since he was still actively fighting.
Sure, if we ignore that it was explicitly stated and part of the plot that after Rocky II Rocky had cherry picked easy fights and it was explicitly shown that while Lang trained intensively for his first fight with Rocky, Rocky was slacking off and having fun
Rocky was over confident in beginning of part III. That does not equate to being out of shape.
Originally posted by RobtardDid you not follow the circumstance of the win or do you ignore any points that counter yours?
Pretty sure Balboa defeated Apollo in Rocky II and part of the plot of Rocky II was Apollo's questionable win over Bolboa in Rocky. Did you not follow?
Rocky won only because Apollo wanted to knock him out and was outright tired of beating on him. Apollo could have easily won the right. You can hear the commentators state that they don't understand why he was trading blows with Rocky in the last round.
Don't act like it was a battle. Rocky won only one round prior to the last round.
Originally posted by Kotor3
So you are comparing a person who was an active fighter to a person who was in retirement? Apollo did not trained at all in part I but he was still in shape since he was still actively fighting.Rocky was over confident in beginning of part III. That does not equate to being out of shape.
IMO, you need to watch Rocky III again, the plot was that Balboa had it easy for years and wasn't in any serious fighting shape when he first faced Lang, it wasn't just Balboa being a little cocky going into that first match with Lang
"He also tells Rocky that Lang is a young, hungry "wrecking machine" and that Rocky has no chance of beating him, as he hasn't retained his edge as a fighter. Rocky manages to convince Mickey to train him regardless, but his Las Vegas-style training camp is filled with distractions and Rocky clearly does not take the challenge seriously (similar to Creed in the first Rocky movie). Clubber's relentless training regimen of working out by himself in a derelict building with whatever objects he has and running through city alleys clearly shows that he is taking his preparation for the bout far more seriously. (similar to Rocky in the first film)"
Originally posted by RobtardHe wasn't in serious fighting shape to face a hungry powerful monster like Lang was the point. Not that he was out of shape as a fighter. He just finishing defending his title before facing Lang.
IMO, you need to watch Rocky III again, the plot was that Rocky had it easy for years and wasn't in any serious fighting shape when he first faced Lang, it wasn't just Balboa being a little cocky going into that first match with Lang"He also tells Rocky that Lang is a young, hungry "wrecking machine" and that Rocky has no chance of beating him, as he hasn't retained his edge as a fighter. Rocky manages to convince Mickey to train him regardless, but his Las Vegas-style training camp is filled with distractions and Rocky clearly does not take the challenge seriously (similar to Creed in the first Rocky movie). Clubber's relentless training regimen of working out by himself in a derelict building with whatever objects he has and running through city alleys clearly shows that he is taking his preparation for the bout far more seriously. (similar to Rocky in the first film)" Rocky III Synopsis
So tell me please, how is it that Apollo who did not trained seriously, was retired for years, was in shape when he face Drago who trained intensely for his exhibition fight with Apollo?
Please tell me the difference between the situations with him and Rocky.
to reinforce your point robtard, the announcers were suprised to see Rocky in the second fight, commenting that he looked much more in shape stating that he looks alot leaner and that he had lost weight, as well as all throughout the fight they constantly commented on this being a completely different Rocky