Iron Man Vs Aquaman

Originally posted by leonidas
am would def test the shield's strength. anyone have scans showing tony using one of his uber shields while simultaneously using offensive weapons....?

here is a little bit showing just how capable arthur is:

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/am1.jpg.html

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/am2.jpg.html

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/am3.jpg.html

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/am4.jpg.html

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/am5.jpg.html

impressive as f***. arthur is a beast and that trident can do a LOT of damage. this is a really close fight.

This was against flesh and blood... Please show me what it's doing against shields and such.

well, (a) that thing's armor was AT LEAST as durable as tony's, meaning i have no doubt the trident could penetrate the armor with a solid shot. (b) the shields would stop it for a while, but how's about if YOU show ME scans of tony being offensive while using any kind of uber shielding. we already saw his shields stop loki's attack, but, when tony has to attack, guess what? no more shield and he got one-shotted by loki. so....we've shown something. your turn. 🙂

Against the trident Tony doesn't even really have to use the shields. Just scan and predict his movements, dodge with his lightning speed and bombard him with repulsors

hmm, you sound dangerously close to saying you don't think arthur can HIT ironman.... 😑

Im saying its possible but not exactly the most likely of outcomes considering his opponent. I definitely dont see him landing a killshot or an incapacitating one the majority of fights.

He has flight. Aquaman doesn't. Iron Man doesn't need to be anywhere near him to beat him. Or he can use these:
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Modern%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/PentagonImageInducer01Legacy1.jpg.html

So Arthur won't even know where to begin fighting.

Originally posted by leonidas
i guess what i'm saying is--i don't see magnetism in anyway being a gamechanger in this match.

Doesn't have to be a gamechanger, but it could be a tactical advantage when he pulls at the trident:

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Modern%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/PentagonMagnetism03NewAvengers6.jpg.html

and then pushes it up with a magnetic force pulse:
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Modern%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/BEMagnetism01IIM512.jpg.html

You mentioned Shields. Iron Man uses repulsar tech for his shields. I don't see why he can't go from this:
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Modern%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/PentagonForcefields10MightyAvengers22.jpg.html

or this:
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Modern%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/PentagonForcefields07NewAvengers6.jpg.html
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Modern%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/PentagonForcefields08.jpg.html

To his full form repulsar ray - using the same shield field he had set up:
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Modern%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/ExtremisRepulsorRays01MightyAvengers1.jpg.html

Or, if he's being smart using sonics, use the microwave technique he used against Namor, or just put him in a stasis field like he did to Apoc, twice:
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Modern%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/BEForcefields05ASMAnnual39.jpg.html
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Modern%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/BEForcefields01Avengersv43.jpg.html

Flight. Armor. Shields. Sonics that shut down the human brain. Magnetics. Anti-Gravity Tech (which he's used to send people to space - like Nova). Pulse Beams. Repulsar Rays. Image Inducers so Arthur doesn't know where the real Tony is. Tony has too many options for him to lose here. The only way Aquaman wins is if he gets his hands on him and is under water.

while i agree that tony would take a majority (slight) i disagree with your premise. AM has legit superspeed (enough to hang with ww even). if he gets in close and makes it h2h tony is in trouble imo. he would certainly have no problems hitting tony. tony's entire history is evidence of that. add to the fact that arthur is exceptionally skilled in h2h and hitting won't be an issue. tony would win by keeping his distance, pounding him with a variety of high yield range attacks and then, only when he's weakened enough, get in close to finish.

if arthur forces the fight h2h early, i see it being his fight to lose. brains, range and versatility are tony's friends in this fight.

Originally posted by leonidas
while i agree that tony would take a majority (slight) i disagree with your premise. AM has legit superspeed (enough to hang with ww even). if he gets in close and makes it h2h tony is in trouble imo. he would certainly have no problems hitting tony. tony's entire history is evidence of that. add to the fact that arthur is exceptionally skilled in h2h and hitting won't be an issue. tony would win by keeping his distance, pounding him with a variety of high yield range attacks and then, only when he's weakened enough, get in close to finish.

if arthur forces the fight h2h early, i see it being his fight to lose. brains, range and versatility are tony's friends in this fight.

Totally agree

Exactly. There is only one scenario in which Aquaman wins: getting in close and pressing the advantage. That's not going to happen most of the time. Majority goes to Tony and it's not a 6/10 scenario. I'd say 8/10 Tony wins. Aquaman's great, but he's a brawler who needs it to be a CQC scenario to win and even then Tony has held his own against similar opponents using just his fists.

It's just that his versatility usually means he doesn't have to.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Exactly. There is only one scenario in which Aquaman wins: getting in close and pressing the advantage. That's not going to happen most of the time. Majority goes to Tony and it's not a 6/10 scenario. I'd say 8/10 Tony wins. Aquaman's great, but he's a brawler who needs it to be a CQC scenario to win and even then Tony has held his own against similar opponents using just his fists.

It's just that his versatility usually means he doesn't have to.

I think only the top end bricks without flight can really give Tony a run for his money. AQ would have to tank a laundry list of powerful barrages to make it predominantly a cqc... And I think only top end bricks like Hulk, Rulk, Jugg, high end Grundy, etc. can wade through most of it. Plus standard settings would set them a good starting distance. Then again AQ can launch his trident and get some quick ones. So I think it's a tad closer.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Exactly. There is only one scenario in which Aquaman wins: getting in close and pressing the advantage. That's not going to happen most of the time. Majority goes to Tony and it's not a 6/10 scenario. I'd say 8/10 Tony wins. Aquaman's great, but he's a brawler who needs it to be a CQC scenario to win and even then Tony has held his own against similar opponents using just his fists.

It's just that his versatility usually means he doesn't have to.

Tony is like Doom, but w/o magic.

So he's close to being unstoppable. 🙂

With most characters when all their fancy tricks are ineffective their fists are their last lines of defense. The thing about tony is his weapons and versatility pack arguably more punch and are more effective than his fists. So he really doesnt have much reason to make it H2h. AM NEEDS it to be H2h to have a good shot.

i'll disagree with 8/10. 6.5/10 at most imo. his trident is a good answer for his tony's typical range weapons--beams and energy. he could parry those attacks all day. he would need to go with some disruptive weapons or go with high yield stuff, but given AM's speed and flight abilities landing those kinds of hits would be tough before AM closed the gap. and that's the thing--AM IS a top tier brick in terms of strength. he is very close to ww. we've seen namor do very well against tony. think namor now with a powerful magical edged weapon for defense and offense. tony would def be able to hold his own in h2h for a while, but that trident would certainly be the edge in cqc. the more i think about it, the closer i think this would likely be. tony's smarter, but arthur does not quit and has no real qualms about going all out with kill shots if needed.

Tony has a one shot weapon as well though.

@Celey, Aquaman's would want to make tossing his trident his last option...trust me on this. If Tony gets ahold of the only weapon Aquaman has, this would change the battle drastically.

which weapon? the laser sword? i doubt--highly--that it would cut the trident, if that's what you're getting at. and arthur would be the far better fighter if it came down to sword vs trident. i'd think tony would want to avoid that. now, one option would be to HIDE the sword, until he could surprise arthur and get in a good clean, maybe killing stroke. reasons like that are why i like tony still in the fight. but i think arthur isn't getting quite his due in some cases is all.

Originally posted by leonidas
i'll disagree with 8/10. 6.5/10 at most imo. his trident is a good answer for his tony's typical range weapons--beams and energy. he could parry those attacks all day. he would need to go with some disruptive weapons or go with high yield stuff, but given AM's speed and flight abilities landing those kinds of hits would be tough before AM closed the gap. and that's the thing--AM IS a top tier brick in terms of strength. he is very close to ww. we've seen namor do very well against tony. think namor now with a powerful magical edged weapon for defense and offense. tony would def be able to hold his own in h2h for a while, but that trident would certainly be the edge in cqc. the more i think about it, the closer i think this would likely be. tony's smarter, but arthur does not quit and has no real qualms about going all out with kill shots if needed.

Namor can fly and actually bring the fight to Tony.

Aquaman can't. And relying on a metal weapon won't help when it's negated by Magnetism.

Is it that powerful that ALL metals are affected?

aquaman can fly and bring the fight to him as well. 😕 AM is just as strong as namor nowadays AND he has a weapon capable of puncturing tony's armor and deflecting much of his offense. i already explained that i don't see magnetism really doing anything in this fight, assuming for the moment the trident is magnetic. i can think of a couple ways where by surprise it could be an effective tool, but overall it wouldn't have much impact imo. if anything, most of the time it will only serve to bring arthur in close, which is where he wants to be anyway....

Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, you sound dangerously close to saying you don't think arthur can HIT ironman.... 😑

It's genuinely possible he can't. This isn't the first time I've heard of Iron Man having reflexes above normal, and combining that with his flight speed? Well, what are Nu Aquamans best speed feats? Pre Nu had some decent levels of speed, what about the current one?

If the guy decides to toss the trident here, he's probably going to miss. His best bet would be not throwing it, but just stabbing at him, but keeping the trident IN his possession. Problem is he is screwed either way. I don't see how he gets up close enough to IM to stab him with the trident, not unless IM decides to stand and not move. I likewise don't see how he'd ever actually manage to tag him by throwing the trident, unless Aquaman has been shown to throw it with some amazing speed.

Originally posted by leonidas
aquaman can fly and bring the fight to him as well. 😕 AM is just as strong as namor nowadays AND he has a weapon capable of puncturing tony's armor and deflecting much of his offense. i already explained that i don't see magnetism really doing anything in this fight, assuming for the moment the trident is magnetic. i can think of a couple ways where by surprise it could be an effective tool, but overall it wouldn't have much impact imo. if anything, most of the time it will only serve to bring arthur in close, which is where he wants to be anyway....

Wait since when can Aquaman fly?