Originally posted by carver9
Wait a minute. I'm not use to this line of debate from Dark. Aren't you the one that usually resort to bfring as a majority tactic stating that "why would he not do this if it's within his ability to do". You debate primarily off of powerset.
Also, if they are clever enough, or can think fast enough to do so.
Rhino ain't BFRing anyone. We debate in character here. I do NOT debate solely off powerset - unless intelligence and quick thinking is part of their powerset (Doc Green, for example).
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Also, if they are clever enough, or can think fast enough to do so.Rhino ain't BFRing anyone. We debate in character here. I do NOT debate solely off powerset - unless intelligence and quick thinking is part of their powerset (Doc Green, for example).
Lol...you debate primarily off of powerset. We just had a huge discussion of Magneto bfring Juggernaut even though in character, he would not do that (weigh the times he has bfred someone against the times he has not). This doesn't include Hulk being bfred by Black Adam, or whatever else you brought up via bfr. Let's not get into your speed arguments. You debate solely on powerset unless it doesn't suit you.
Back on topic, Shaw wins.
Originally posted by carver9
Wait a minute. I'm not use to this line of debate from Dark. Aren't you the one that usually resort to bfring as a majority tactic stating that "why would he not do this if it's within his ability to do". You debate primarily off of powerset.
So on Silver Surfer vs Hulk, you say "Ignore powerset, Hulk wins!!" On Iron Man vs Aquaman, you go, "Pffft Iron Man's versatility is too great." Then on Cyborg-Superman vs Maestro, you ignore versatility yet again.
Also, I notice you're conspicuously absent from that last thread after I showed a bunch of reasons why I doubt Maestro would win.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...you debate primarily off of powerset. We just had a huge discussion of Magneto bfring Juggernaut even though in character, he would not do that (weigh the times he has bfred someone against the times he has not). This doesn't include Hulk being bfred by Black Adam, or whatever else you brought up via bfr. Let's not get into your speed arguments. You debate solely on powerset unless it doesn't suit you.Back on topic, Shaw wins.
Magneto is pretty clever, no? Shall I go through his intelligence/tactical feats?
Black Adam has the Wisdom of Zehuti.
You fail.
I'm sure I also used it for Flash, who can strategise in the space of milliseconds. And pre-boot Superman, an award winning investigative reporter who is also of the line of El, a scientific family from one of the most technologically advanced civilizations in the galaxy, who can also think superfast.
See a common theme? They are all smart, and/or able to think and go through their options at superspeed.
Originally posted by Delta1938
So on Silver Surfer vs Hulk, you say "Ignore powerset, Hulk wins!!" On Iron Man vs Aquaman, you go, "Pffft Iron Man's versatility is too great." Then on Cyborg-Superman vs Maestro, you ignore versatility yet again.Also, I notice you're conspicuously absent from that last thread after I showed a bunch of reasons why I doubt Maestro would win.
I think you might want to read back in the Ironman vs Aquaman thread. Look at ALL of my post. I said Ironman wins because he has ALL of Aquaman abilities INCLUDING strength and durability. So Ironman doesn't only have the versatility edge, he is almost near equal to Aquaman physically. So what reason would I give Aquaman the majority? Oh, wait, the trident (I even posted an image where Ironman could potentially control the Trident via Magnetism).
Good catch though.
Maestro would destroy Hank because he is overall more powerful. I do not debate off of powerset. I am literally one of the few that doesn't.
Originally posted by carver9
I think you might want to read back in the Ironman vs Aquaman thread. Look at ALL of my post. I said Ironman wins because he has ALL of Aquaman abilities INCLUDING strength and durability. So Ironman doesn't only have the versatility edge, he is almost near equal to Aquaman physically. So what reason would I give Aquaman the majority? Oh, wait, the trident (I even posted an image where Ironman could potentially control the Trident via Magnetism).Good catch though.
Maestro would destroy hang because he is overall more powerful. I do not debate off of powerset. I am literally one of the few that doesn't.
Except you only argued Iron Man's stats after someone showed IM KOing Hulk, so choosing Tony was damage control.
You debate over whoever you think helps Hulk look best by some type of abstract comparison. In other words, whichever gives you the strongest erection thinking about Hulk.
Also, Cy>Maestro.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Magneto is pretty clever, no? Shall I go through his intelligence/tactical feats?Black Adam has the Wisdom of Zehuti.
You fail.
I'm sure I also used it for Flash, who can strategise in the space of milliseconds. And pre-boot Superman, an award winning investigative reporter who is also of the line of El, a scientific family from one of the most technologically advanced civilizations in the galaxy, who can also think superfast.
See a common theme? They are all smart, and/or able to think and go through their options at superspeed.
😂
Like I said, you debate PRIMARILY OFF of powerset. Why post scans when 99% of the character career is ignored? You're not debating on what is shown in the comics (Black Adam, Superman, and even Magneto duking it out), you are basing this off of their career and intellect. That's like me saying Surfer beats Superman 10/10 via bfr or Surfer creating clones of himself 10/10 due to the Intellect the power cosmic gives the inherited. Let's throw comics out of the window and focus on their brain power.
Also, Shaw isn't dumb ya know. Don't understand why this brain power debating wouldn't apply to him as well.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Except you only argued Iron Man's stats after someone showed IM KOing Hulk, so choosing Tony was damage control.You debate over whoever you think helps Hulk look best by some type of abstract comparison. In other words, whichever gives you the strongest erection thinking about Hulk.
Also, Cy>Maestro.
No need for me to continue, lol, this has led to Hulk yet again.
Shaw wins.
Originally posted by carver9
😂Like I said, you debate PRIMARILY OFF of powerset. Why post scans when 99% of the character career is ignored? You're not debating on what is shown in the comics (Black Adam, Superman, and even Magneto duking it out), you are basing this off of their career and intellect. That's like me saying Surfer beats Superman 10/10 via bfr or Surfer creating clones of himself 10/10 due to the Intellect the power cosmic gives the inherited. Let's throw comics out of the window and focus on their brain power.
Also, Shaw isn't dumb ya know. Don't understand why this brain power debating wouldn't apply to him as well.
Scans of Shaw crushing someone to death.
Scans of Shaw thunderclapping.
You asked for scans of New 52 using gas, I obliged. And as a bonus, threw in other things (non-prepped) New 52 Bats has done.
So far, I have not seen anything to convince me yet. Existere brought up Batman throwing Batkicks whilst throwing Batarangs - IOW, going melee before his long range weapons work. Does he do this against a (AFAHK) a normal human (with ruffles)? Seems a bit of overkill.
Batarangs first, THEN the Batkick. But the rangs will hit Shaw harmlessly, and he will shout out his mockery.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
''And Bats''? Tigra is Class 10...
My bad. I forgot/didn't know Tigra was Class 10.
Riv, how strong is this average Shaw?
It could be over in the first second, when Bats uses his bolas:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Standard%20Advanced%20Prep%20Time/batmantwoface26-batbolas1.jpg~original
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Standard%20Advanced%20Prep%20Time/batmantwoface26-batbolas2.jpg~original
Before Shaw is amped, of course.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Riv, how strong is this average Shaw?It could be over in the first second, when Bats uses his bolas:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Standard%20Advanced%20Prep%20Time/batmantwoface26-batbolas1.jpg~original
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Standard%20Advanced%20Prep%20Time/batmantwoface26-batbolas2.jpg~originalBefore Shaw is amped, of course.
This is what's said about his charging
He can also go for long periods of time without sleep if he can store up enough energy. He has been known to have underlings in the Hellfire Club fight him in order to build up extra energy to store, and has been seen punching a wall in order to build up reserves. During a fight he is known for taking punches, allowing an enemy to charge him up to the point at which he is more powerful.
While i doubt he's averagely at thunderclap level, i'd say he's likely at crushing. Why charge if not to be above human level strength?
Originally posted by maxivitopowe
operative word here being [b] that they are on a rooftop [/B]
Exactly (although there is more than one operative word there lol).
They are facing each other across a rooftop.
Batman throws Batarangs. He tries to go for a KO - he has no idea who this guy is, except he looks like a Russian nightclub owner and is dressed like he's from Victorian England. But will just assume he's a normal human - and therefore, a Batarang (or two/three) will do.
The Batarangs will bounce harmlessly off Shaw. He will laugh.
You throw mere toys at me? Do you not know what I can do???? I blah blah Shawsplanation....
Batman, being the World's Most Competent Detective, will put two and two together, and will fall back on his other gadgets. Which would put Shaw down.
All seems pretty in character. I'm NOT saying he opens his attack with spamming the contents of his belt, or whatever. Merely that, across an open rooftop, he'd open with his usual long range weapons (Batarangs), they WON'T KO Shaw, and Shaw will monologue. With this info, Batman will switch tactics. All in character.
