General Zod (MOS) vs Sebastian Shaw (First Class)

Originally posted by Nibedicus
http://youtu.be/HnAw3E_mLh8

Zod dodged a total of one time throughout the whole fight (3:01) and he simply sidestepped a move by Superman that wasn't even too fast for the eye to follow. The rest of the fight he was literally trading blow for blow. So please show this h2h superspeed "feat" you are talking about.

Wow... are you really not getting it? That entire fight is at super speed. So any and all blocking or dodging or reaction feats are superspeed feats. Because I also did say blocking. If he can block the blow of a guy who operates at supersonic speeds, he can dodge a blow from a person with regular human speed. They slow it down so that we can follow the action. Unless you want to suggest that they just decided to move drastically slower than they are capable of for the final fight.

Hell, the Smallville fight makes a point of showing us how much faster they are than humans. Despite slowing the action down enough for us to be able to follow, they included things like sonic booms etc. to show us how fast they are moving. The fights are shown from Kryptonian perspective, or otherwise we'd just see blurs onscreen. Y'know, like when they show Faora fighting humans, from a human perspective, to show us how they perceive the movement of the Kryptonians. But guess you are one of those "If they weren't blurring it wasn't super speed" people, despite the efforts the director takes to show their enhanced speed.

Kryptonians, including Zod, have superhuman speed. Trying to deny that is flat out ridiculous. So how about you now actually provide proof of Shaw having any kind of super speed fast enough to tag beings that are supersonic, even on foot?

This thread is a joke. Whenever someone make a Kryptonian VS Hulk or Thor thread, the virtually unanimous opinion is that Hulk or Thor can't win because they are way too slow to tag any of the Kryptonians. But in this thread, a guy who, based on feats, is probably slower than either Thor or the Hulk is going to manage it without problems.

I didn't see any slow-mo effects during the attacks, nor do I recall any mention of them in interviews or commentary about the movie.

Could you link to where it's stated that the fights happened at superspeed and they slowed the film down so that the audience could see it.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Wow... are you really not getting it? That entire fight is at super speed. So any and all blocking or dodging or reaction feats are superspeed feats. Because I also did say blocking. If he can block the blow of a guy who operates at supersonic speeds, he can dodge a blow from a person with regular human speed. They slow it down so that we can follow the action. Unless you want to suggest that they just decided to move drastically slower than they are capable of for the final fight.

Hell, the Smallville fight makes a point of showing us how much faster they are than humans. Despite slowing the action down enough for us to be able to follow, they included things like sonic booms etc. to show us how fast they are moving. The fights are shown from Kryptonian perspective, or otherwise we'd just see blurs onscreen. Y'know, like when they show Faora fighting humans, from a human perspective, to show us how they perceive the movement of the Kryptonians. But guess you are one of those "If they weren't blurring it wasn't super speed" people, despite the efforts the director takes to show their enhanced speed.

Kryptonians, including Zod, have superhuman speed. Trying to deny that is flat out ridiculous. So how about you now actually provide proof of Shaw having any kind of super speed fast enough to tag beings that are supersonic, even on foot?

This thread is a joke. Whenever someone make a Kryptonian VS Hulk or Thor thread, the virtually unanimous opinion is that Hulk or Thor can't win because they are way too slow to tag any of the Kryptonians. But in this thread, a guy who, based on feats, is probably slower than either Thor or the Hulk is going to manage it without problems.

He blocked a total of twice during the fight. Once at 1:35 and the other at 3:29. Unless you're counting the times he blocked Kal's fist with his face.... Dodged once, blocked twice. Yeahhh, that's not really much. They can easily fly at supersonice speeds but do not interchange flying speed with reflexes/h2h speed. That does not apply in these forums.

Please point out where the fight was "slowed down". Environmental effects (explosions, falling debris, flying papers) were moving at normal speeds so this new angle of yours does not hold water. Sonic booms were from acceleration. And everytime they did their sonic boom bum rushes, at no time were any of these blocked or dodged by Zod. Zod is not Faora and their "feats" are not interchangeable. And have your forgotten that people fight in-character here? Zod is not known to be defensive fighter, at least not as shown on screen. He trades blows to get his blows in 99% of the time.

Sure they have superspeed. Super flight speed and acceleration. Dodging speed? Only Faora really showed this on screen as evidenced by how easily she dodged the A-10 strafe run last second while Superman got tagged and the big guy just gawked there. Heck, Superman had a good 2-3 seconds to fly out of the way and still got tagged while the big guy had close to 9.

http://youtu.be/Ets2KtNYiis

Each person is a different character and we do not interchange their "feats". Especially since, at this point, they were all still learning their abilities. Hell, even Superman got surprised by Faora's speed. You want to go the whole "they all have superspeed" route, yet when presented proof and called to post evidence of your own, you seem to be getting flustered...

No one said that it would be easy for Shaw to tag him. Just that he can't hurt Shaw and eventually Shaw would tag him (in which case the longer he'd butthurt rage at Shaw, the worse off he is) due to an absence of superspeed dodging "feats" from him and the way he fights. It might take a while, but time works in Shaw's favor.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
There is literally no way he'd figure it out in one punch unless Shaw tells him about his powers. Shaw has possibly one of the most obscure powers out there just based on how it looks. If he didn't explain it in the movie, I doubt that many viewers would even figure out what it was. Thinking that Zod would figure it out right away is crazy talk... That is unless, of course, this is a typo and you meant to insert a "not" there between "would" and "figure"...

Um. You are not an authority on force fields. You're literally just making this point up. And yes, he would keep hitting him and it would most likely be too late by the time he figured it out.

Show "feats" that makes you think that Zod would even be able to hurt Nuke Shaw. The guy was walking thru Magneto's powers like nothing. And (by "feats"😉 the force Magneto can apply with his powers is far greater than anything Zod showed in MoS.

There is no "basic knowledge rule" in Movie Vs afaik.... But if you're basing it on the "common knowledge" in the comics vs forums, it says:

Each side receives basic knowledge of the other. A good measure of this would be what the general population of the character's homeworld knows.

Not many people on Earth even knew about Shaw. Much less his powers...

I meant to put "not" in there. My bad.

Have you ever seen a force field do that? Has Zod? You are not the authority on what Zod would think about that power. It would be more likely he was confused about it than jumping right to "it's clearly a force field"

Nah son. I got the end all right here:

Zod has greater than black hole punching power!!! Why? Well Kal was able to resist the force of a black hole via flight. But when he clashed with Zod using his flight, he was launched in another direction!

So Zod's punches>>>>>black hole>>>>>>>nuke. Canon. 😛

The same "black hole" that Lois was failing away from and was undamaged by?

I believe Shaw will win more times than not. However, we don't need to lowball Zod here to come to that conclusion. To me it seems obvious that the fight scenes were slowed down some so we could view and perceive what is happening clearly. We can clearly see them create sonic booms with their speed, but who cares about the audience seeing them streak across the sky fast and barely visible. They can clearly show the speed then. How lame would a fight be to an audience using the same format... I'd be lame. So of course they'll slow it down some for the audience to enjoy. Doesn't change the fact that Zod will more than likely go butt rage or hv and that will only power up Shaw and eventually when he hits him... Game over.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The same "black hole" that Lois was failing away from and was undamaged by?

Yep, Superman had to fly over and catch her.

The singularity scene was lame PIS. We see it capable of sucking up cars, tearing apart the sides of buildings and Kal being affected by its massive gravitational pull, but somehow Lois wasn't

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yep, Superman had to fly over and catch her.

She was clearly unaffected by it while Clark struggled to get off of the black hole's pull.

Originally posted by Reflassshh
No, I meant 'are you seriously asking that?'.

She was clearly unaffected by it while Clark struggled to get off of the black hole's pull.

Interesting how he struggled with it, when simple gravity allowed Lois to overcome it...and yet people insist that it's an impressive feat.

Originally posted by Robtard
The singularity scene was lame PIS. We see it capable of sucking up cars, tearing apart the sides of buildings and Kal being affected by its massive gravitational pull, but somehow Lois wasn't

Lois clearly hides her fat well, real well

Originally posted by Silent Master
Interesting how he struggled with it, when simple gravity allowed Lois to overcome it...and yet people insist that it's an impressive feat.

Originally posted by Reflassshh
She wasn't affected by it. Did you see the movie?

So you're arguing that Lois is immune to black hole's, That is an interesting argument to make.

Originally posted by Robtard
The singularity scene was lame PIS. We see it capable of sucking up cars, tearing apart the sides of buildings and Kal being affected by its massive gravitational pull, but somehow Lois wasn't

Lois was a plot device. There are other moments in the movie she made no sense at all too

It's clear from Clark's fights with Faora, Nam-Ek, and Zod that Faora is the only Kryptonian to possess combat super speed. The fact that she speed blitzed Kal every time they fought, but when he was up against Nam-Ek and Zod they were fighting at normal speed shows nobody aside from her had high end combat speed.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So you're arguing that Lois is immune to black hole's, That is an interesting argument to make.

You're arguing that earth's gravity > bh's pull, which is stupid tbh.

Calling her a plot device is just another way of saying that the scene was PIS.

Your point being ...?

That using a PIS scene as proof of anything is retarded.