Originally posted by ares834
Except he can literally create a counter force forward via walking. He can't create create a downward force (other than perhaps barfing out a ton of energy).Edit: watching that video Shaw even get knocked around a bit by Magneto...
While true, he seemingly did push the beam back by creating a countering-force (and possibly absorbing as well), but he also has the ability to just absorb forces/energy and thereby negate them that way. eg absorbing the kinetic and heat energy of the grenade he set off in his hands and the RPG he took to the body, both of which did nothing to move him
So considering that, he could stop Zod from lifting him; not by creating a greater counter-force downwards, which he couldn't do in the first place, but by absorbing the energy Zod is exerting to both hold and lift him
Originally posted by juggerman
Again I'm saying he would figure it out after one punch or even at all completely.A force field wouldn't make Shaw move the way he does when hit. But even if he did think that, he probabaly wouldn't just keep hitting him.
I disagree.
True but it's basic knowledge of your opponent. He should have a basic understanding of Shaw as Shaw should have a basic understanding of Zod. But I guess if Zod did, it would be too easy a fight for him
There is literally no way he'd figure it out in one punch unless Shaw tells him about his powers. Shaw has possibly one of the most obscure powers out there just based on how it looks. If he didn't explain it in the movie, I doubt that many viewers would even figure out what it was. Thinking that Zod would figure it out right away is crazy talk... That is unless, of course, this is a typo and you meant to insert a "not" there between "would" and "figure"...
Um. You are not an authority on force fields. You're literally just making this point up. And yes, he would keep hitting him and it would most likely be too late by the time he figured it out.
Show "feats" that makes you think that Zod would even be able to hurt Nuke Shaw. The guy was walking thru Magneto's powers like nothing. And (by "feats"😉 the force Magneto can apply with his powers is far greater than anything Zod showed in MoS.
There is no "basic knowledge rule" in Movie Vs afaik.... But if you're basing it on the "common knowledge" in the comics vs forums, it says:
Each side receives basic knowledge of the other. A good measure of this would be what the general population of the character's homeworld knows.
Not many people on Earth even knew about Shaw. Much less his powers...
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Did Zod even try to dodge anything in MoS? IIRC, they weren't too fast for rockets or getting shot. And I don't even think he tried to dodge much in MoS at all. I remember thr girl moving around pretty quickly but soldiers didn't seem to have trouble tagging her. They could move pretty fast but they didn't seem to want to dodge anything.
They did dodge gunfire when they felt like it. We see this during the Smallville fight. When they realised that Earth weapons don't do jack shit to them they stopped bothering. And the soldiers hit her with bullets when she was standing still. While Faora was moving none of the soldiers could even come close to reacting to her speed. Nam-Ek literally went from standing still to causing a sonic boom during that fight in a split second.
And I don't see what your point is about rockets or bullets is in anyways. Not like humans (or Shaw, unless he can massively amp his speed, which hasn't been shown) can throw punches even close to the speed a bullet or rocket travels. We see how utterly incapable humans are at responding to Kryptonians moving at full speed, when they get up close. Fact is that Shaw does not have the feats to suggest that he can amp himself up to move fast enough to tag a Kryptonian in melee.
All the things Zod either couldn't block or chose to tank were things that his durability could handle and/or which were moving well beyond any speed Shaw can reach. Or are we going to ignore the massive difference in speed and reaction times here?
I mean let's say Zod hits Shaw and Shaw absorbs the power. Zod, being the arrogant jerk he is, lets Shaw get a shot in. He realises "Oh shit, this guy actually packs a punch, but damn he is slow. I should use my vastly superior speed to not get hit." And before anyone can act like avoiding getting hit is some master strategy that only a tactical genius would think of, it isn't. It's common sense, that even someone with Zod's level of buttrage would realise.
This match is a stalemate unless Zod can somehow BFR Shaw, because his regular attacks shouldn't work, but Shaw hasn't shown the speed to tag him in return.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
They did dodge gunfire when they felt like it. We see this during the Smallville fight. When they realised that Earth weapons don't do jack shit to them they stopped bothering. And the soldiers hit her with bullets when she was standing still. While Faora was moving none of the soldiers could even come close to reacting to her speed. Nam-Ek literally went from standing still to causing a sonic boom during that fight in a split second.And I don't see what your point is about rockets or bullets is in anyways. Not like humans (or Shaw, unless he can massively amp his speed, which hasn't been shown) can throw punches even close to the speed a bullet or rocket travels. We see how utterly incapable humans are at responding to Kryptonians moving at full speed, when they get up close. Fact is that Shaw does not have the feats to suggest that he can amp himself up to move fast enough to tag a Kryptonian in melee.
All the things Zod either couldn't block or chose to tank were things that his durability could handle and/or which were moving well beyond any speed Shaw can reach. Or are we going to ignore the massive difference in speed and reaction times here?
I mean let's say Zod hits Shaw and Shaw absorbs the power. Zod, being the arrogant jerk he is, lets Shaw get a shot in. He realises "Oh shit, this guy actually packs a punch, but damn he is slow. I should use my vastly superior speed to not get hit." And before anyone can act like avoiding getting hit is some master strategy that only a tactical genius would think of, it isn't. It's common sense, that even someone with Zod's level of buttrage would realise.
This match is a stalemate unless Zod can somehow BFR Shaw, because his regular attacks shouldn't work, but Shaw hasn't shown the speed to tag him in return.
You can actually simplify your entire argument by: Shaw can't fly. Rather than Zod is too fast. As Zod has had pretty iffy showings on his dodging skills in MoS. But if he stayed away from Shaw, why yes, it would be a stalemate.
However, if the fight has him punching Shaw over and over again and then resorting to heat vision when that doesn't work and then punching some more (like the arrogant butthurt baby that he was in MoS 😛).... And unless I see some h2h dodging "feats" (as flight speed =/= h2h dodging speed)... I must insist that Zod would eventually get tagged by Shaw and (if he's absorbed enough energy) not really sure if Zod would be able to stand up to one of those. Heck, if he manages to grab hold of Zod, I would even argue that he would simply squish Zod into paste the way he was squishing Magneto against the sub wall.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Zod wasn't moving at superspeed when his neck was broken.
With the massive speed difference, the chances of Shaw getting Zod into a next snapping position is miniscule, unless you plan on doing some epic fight scripting using lots of PIS.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
You can actually simplify your entire argument by: Shaw can't fly. Rather than Zod is too fast. As Zod has had pretty iffy showings on his dodging skills in MoS. But if he stayed away from Shaw, why yes, it would be a stalemate.However, if the fight has him punching Shaw over and over again and then resorting to heat vision when that doesn't work and then punching some more (like the arrogant butthurt baby that he was in MoS 😛).... And unless I see some h2h dodging "feats", I must insist that Zod would eventually get tagged by Shaw and (if he's absorbed enough energy) not really sure if Zod would be able to stand up to one of those. Heck, if he manages to grab hold of Zod, I would even argue that he would simply squish Zod into paste the way he was squishing Magneto against the sub wall.
During his final fight with Kal he was able to dodge and block a number of his blows. And Kal is WAY faster than Shaw. So there you have an example of him fighting, dodging and blocking at superspeed. So, unless you can provide some supersonic speed feats for Shaw, I must insist that he will be far too slow to tag a being shown to be able to move and fight at superhuman speeds.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
With the massive speed difference, the chances of Shaw getting Zod into a next snapping position is miniscule, unless you plan on doing some epic fight scripting using lots of PIS.During his final fight with Kal he was able to dodge and block a number of his blows. And Kal is WAY faster than Shaw. So there you have an example of him fighting, dodging and blocking at superspeed. So, unless [B]you
can provide some supersonic speed feats for Shaw, I must insist that he will be far too slow to tag a being shown to be able to move and fight at superhuman speeds. [/B]
Zod dodged a total of one time throughout the whole fight (3:01) and he simply sidestepped a move by Superman that wasn't even too fast for the eye to follow. The rest of the fight he was literally trading blow for blow. So please show this h2h superspeed "feat" you are talking about.
Originally posted by KingD19
Kal's speed isn't that great. It's why Faora stomped him for most of the fight. She was moving at super speed and he wasn't. He couldn't even react to her for the most part. He can fly fast, but not fight that way.Yet when he fought Zod, he was getting in plenty of hits.
There is a segment of the board that can't tell the difference between flight speed and reaction/reflex speed when talking about DC characters.
Of course make a thread pitting DC characters against Surfer and they will ignore that Surfer's flight speed >>>> MOS Superman's.
Originally posted by TheVaultDwellerMarble mouth wasn't smart enough to turn his eyes to the right to kill those humans before getting his neck snapped.
They did dodge gunfire when they felt like it. We see this during the Smallville fight. When they realised that Earth weapons don't do jack shit to them they stopped bothering. And the soldiers hit her with bullets when she was standing still. While Faora was moving none of the soldiers could even come close to reacting to her speed. Nam-Ek literally went from standing still to causing a sonic boom during that fight in a split second.And I don't see what your point is about rockets or bullets is in anyways. Not like humans (or Shaw, unless he can massively amp his speed, which hasn't been shown) can throw punches even close to the speed a bullet or rocket travels. We see how utterly incapable humans are at responding to Kryptonians moving at full speed, when they get up close. Fact is that Shaw does not have the feats to suggest that he can amp himself up to move fast enough to tag a Kryptonian in melee.
All the things Zod either couldn't block or chose to tank were things that his durability could handle and/or which were moving well beyond any speed Shaw can reach. Or are we going to ignore the massive difference in speed and reaction times here?
I mean let's say Zod hits Shaw and Shaw absorbs the power. Zod, being the arrogant jerk he is, lets Shaw get a shot in. He realises "Oh shit, this guy actually packs a punch, but damn he is slow. I should use my vastly superior speed to not get hit." And before anyone can act like avoiding getting hit is some master strategy that only a tactical genius would think of, it isn't. It's common sense, that even someone with Zod's level of buttrage would realise.
This match is a stalemate unless Zod can somehow BFR Shaw, because his regular attacks shouldn't work, but Shaw hasn't shown the speed to tag him in return.
Shaw wrecks