Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh yeah.But charged up. So I'm still not counting it.
Still... a little charge up can get someone who's lightning is stated to be infinitely inferior to Vitiate's lightning to reach that level. I'm not saying Bane's lightning is average but he isn't close to the likes of Vitiate or Sidious when it comes to lightning. So comparing his lightning to Sidious cause of that feat isn't flawless logic either.
No it wasn't. And BS on it being exaggerated. If there's other examples of disintegration in separate works it can hardly be an exaggeration.
Originally posted by Sinious
Still... a little charge up can get someone who's lightning is stated to be infinitely inferior to Vitiate's lightning to reach that level. I'm not saying Bane's lightning is average but he isn't close to the likes of Vitiate or Sidious when it comes to lightning. So comparing his lightning to Sidious cause of that feat isn't flawless logic either.
Well I disagree with that. Remember firstly that Bane reached that level as of PoD and had a further 20 years to improve on that. And yeah, I do believe that Vitiate's lightning is the greatest version of it, but not vastly greater than Bane and Sidious' or anything. But I see nothing wrong with comparing it to Sidious'. Both showed it as the highest level of the technique. That Nyriss can reach those levels by charging up only proves how powerful she really was. Her standard lightning was much less powerful though as I recall.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Well I disagree with that. Remember firstly that Bane reached that level as of PoD and had a further 20 years to improve on that. And yeah, I do believe that Vitiate's lightning is the greatest version of it, but not vastly greater than Bane and Sidious' or anything. But I see nothing wrong with comparing it to Sidious'. Both showed it as the highest level of the technique. That Nyriss can reach those levels by charging up only proves how powerful she really was.
Revan's reaction to Nyriss' lightning(that was on the same level with PoD Bane's lightning) and his reaction to Vitiate's lightning kinda proves the huge difference between their(Vitiate and Bane's) capabilities in this era. And PoD Bane had 20 years to improve after that which is good but Vitiate had 300 years to do the same.
A force battle between Vitiate and Bane wouldn't be a stomp, same with Sidious and Bane. But it would surely end before Bane could engage them in a duel(not that it matters against Sidious but you get the point).
Originally posted by Sinious
Revan's reaction to Nyriss' lightning(that was on the same level with PoD Bane's lightning) and his reaction to Vitiate's lightning kinda proves the huge difference between their(Vitiate and Bane's) capabilities in this era. And PoD Bane had 20 years to improve after that which is good but Vitiate had 300 years to do the same.A force battle between Vitiate and Bane wouldn't be a stomp, same with Sidious and Bane. But it would surely end before Bane could engage them in a duel(not that it matters against Sidious but you get the point).
I don't really see how. Both lightning attacks were charged up and not representative of their standard lightning. Nyriss' standard lightning just turned non-force sensitives into charred husks, which is a far cry from her charged version blasting through a shield and incinerating herself. Vitiate's charged lightning is vastly greater than PoD Bane's regular lightning, sure. But is his standard version? Better, surely. But not by a large amount. It does show how really freaking good Revan's tutaminis is though.
And Bane's learning rate is gigantic, he was summoning force storms an hour after learning force lightning. So he could still compete there in less time, especially since I'm not sure Vitiate would be working on his lightning instead of the deepest secrets of the darkside or whatever it says he was exploring somewhere.
But anyway, I think I've made my point. Bane's lightning is still top or near top tier and above basically any other Sith's whose name isn't Sidious or Vitiate.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't really see how. Both lightning attacks were charged up and not representative of their standard lightning. Nyriss' standard lightning just turned non-force sensitives into charred husks, which is a far cry from her charged version blasting through a shield and incinerating herself. Vitiate's charged lightning is vastly greater than PoD Bane's regular lightning, sure. But is his standard version? Better, surely. But not by a large amount. It does show how really freaking good Revan's tutaminis is though.
I said Nyriss' charged lightning is on same levee with PoD Bane.
What else does Bane have to compare to Vitiate exactly? I mean melting down wild animals is sure fun but I think the best display of lightning can be seen when applied against other force users.
And Bane's learning rate is gigantic, he was summoning force storms an hour after learning force lightning. So he could still compete there in less time, especially since I'm not sure Vitiate would be working on his lightning instead of the deepest secrets of the darkside or whatever it says he was exploring somewhere.
Fair point on Bane. Vitiate was just collecting more power from others to increase his force aura in order to be strong enough for the galaxy devouring ritual. This means he was more powerful overall and so naturally his lightning was more devastating in SWTOR.
But anyway, I think I've made my point. Bane's lightning is still top or near top tier and above basically any other Sith's whose name isn't Sidious or Vitiate.
I can accept near top at most.
What about Revan or Nox? I'm also inclined to believe that Plagueis was better mostly due to the nature of RoT.
Originally posted by Sinious
I said Nyriss' charged lightning is on same levee with PoD Bane.What else does Bane have to compare to Vitiate exactly? I mean melting down wild animals is sure fun but I think the best display of lightning can be seen when applied against other force users.
Yeah.
Eh, well he's disintegrated rock and melted blasters with it. Not much against Force users unless you want to count himself in there. Personally though I find attacks against force users harder to quantify. Its all invisible forces and theres a ton of variables between individual force users and so its quite messy imo.
Originally posted by Sinious
Fair point on Bane. Vitiate was just collecting more power from others to increase his force aura in order to be strong enough for the galaxy devouring ritual. This means he was more powerful overall and so naturally his lightning was more devastating in SWTOR.
Sure. Vitiate is still the king.
Originally posted by Sinious
I can accept near top at most.What about Revan or Nox? I'm also inclined to believe that Plagueis was better mostly due to the nature of RoT.
Why Revan? IIRC the best he's done is kill some Rancor's. Nox is also very good and so is Malgus but I still put Bane above them personally.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah.Eh, well he's disintegrated rock and melted blasters with it. Not much against Force users unless you want to count himself in there. Personally though I find attacks against force users harder to quantify. Its all invisible forces and theres a ton of variables between individual force users and so its quite messy imo.
Well, none of these come close to Vitiate's insta-stunning and then overwhelming the strike team with FLS bro. 😮💨
Btw, do you believe that Sidious and Bane are moreorless equals in lightning?
Why Revan? IIRC the best he's done is kill some Rancor's. Nox is also very good and so is Malgus but I still put Bane above them personally.
Revan used it a lot against the strike teams he faced but yeah I get what you mean, he technically doesn't have any specific achievements with FL.
Bane kicks Malaks ass and you know it. Malak's got nothing on Bane disintegrating people with one-handed blasts of lightning, or him disintegrating a dozen technobeasts with a wave of his hand. Nor does he have the strength or speed feats Bane does, of ripping durasteel doors off their hinges and blowing opponents sabers out of their hands in one strike, or being faster than a room of Sith could perceive and moving so fast it appeared he was wielding a dozen sabers at once. And Malak has literally nothing on Orbalisk Bane in lightsaber combat.
He also takes Maul and Sion no problems.
(this was mostly for Tondemonai's sake more than anything)
Originally posted by Sinious
Well, none of these come close to Vitiate's insta-stunning and then overwhelming the strike team with FLS bro. 😮💨Btw, do you believe that Sidious and Bane are moreorless equals in lightning?
Revan used it a lot against the strike teams he faced but yeah I get what you mean, he technically doesn't have any specific achievements with FL.
Yes.
Also, Plagueis has some mad weak lightning game. He's barely used it.
Originally posted by Nephthysthank you
Bane kicks Malaks ass and you know it. Malak's got nothing on Bane disintegrating people with one-handed blasts of lightning, or him disintegrating a dozen technobeasts with a wave of his hand. Nor does he have the strength or speed feats Bane does, of ripping durasteel doors off their hinges and blowing opponents sabers out of their hands in one strike, or being faster than a room of Sith could perceive and moving so fast it appeared he was wielding a dozen sabers at once. And Malak has literally nothing on Orbalisk Bane in lightsaber combat.He also takes Maul and Sion no problems.
(this was mostly for Tondemonai's sake more than anything)
Yes.
Also, Plagueis has some mad weak lightning game. He's barely used it.