Vitiate after completing galaxy consuming ritual and Sidious full amp vs ones/abeloth

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Yes, I'm well aware that you'll continue to make liberal use of double standards. My question to you in the other thread was more or less rhetorical. You'll make them, I'll probably do that thing I do when you make them, you'll get angry with me for "lecturing you," and I'll respond with the "well tough" precedent you graciously provided here, you'll get even more irritated and expect me to be more courteous with you than you are with me, I'll point out that that's merely another double standard, your anger will increase by orders of magnitude and you'll probably threaten to block me because if I was really your friend I wouldn't do something that irritates you and I'll just redirect the same question to you. It will be a vortex of anger and snark and the status quo will remain unchanged.

It's predictable, but there we are.

That's not a double standard though. Just because I make arguments that solely focus on feats doesn't mean I'm excluding other methods of argument. All it means is that I find that line of comparison compelling and don't find other evidence etc relevant enough to mention. I don't understand how you think that if someone only uses feats for a single argument that they're suggesting only using feats to determine something forever. Just because you don't mention something doesn't mean you specifically want to exclude it.

Also you've always been far ruder to me than I've been to you. You're constantly talking down to me, suggesting that I'm stupid or inferior to you and others and outright laughing at, mocking or trying to humiliate me. The things you find annoying about me are completely unintentional on my part.

Is that the quote you're referring to, Sinious? The one where Lucas stated that Vader needed Luke to overthrow Sidious, because he no longer had to chance to do so on his own? If so, then you would have to think that Luke's potential surpassed Anakin's, which Lucas and other sources stated as being the greatest. Unless you think that Vader no longer having the potential to beat Sidious, whereas Luke did, implies parity between Luke's and Anakin's potential, which it doesn't.

I don't know what other quote you could be talking about.

Originally posted by Nephthys
That's not a double standard though. Just because I make arguments that solely focus on feats doesn't mean I'm excluding other methods of argument. All it means is that I find that line of comparison compelling and don't find other evidence etc relevant enough to mention. I don't understand how you think that if someone only uses feats for a single argument that they're suggesting only using feats to determine something forever. Just because you don't mention something doesn't mean you specifically want to exclude it.

That's not what I'm talking about.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Also you've always been far ruder to me than I've been to you. You're constantly talking down to me, suggesting that I'm stupid or inferior to you and others and outright laughing at, mocking or trying to humiliate me.

I don't think you're stupid at all. I just think dishonesty is a staple of your arguments and has been for some time. If I mock anything, it's that.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Is that the quote you're referring to, Sinious? The one where Lucas stated that Vader needed Luke to overthrow Sidious, because he no longer had to chance to do so on his own? If so, then you would have to think that Luke's potential surpassed Anakin's, which Lucas and other sources stated as being the greatest. Unless you think that Vader no longer having the potential to beat Sidious, whereas Luke did, implies parity between Luke's and Anakin's potential, which it doesn't.

I don't know what other quote you could be talking about.

I just remember a quote being used a lot when the potential of Luke and Anakin's were being compared in another thread. Some people believed that they had the exact same potential levels(which I disagree with) and used a quote that said Luke became the ultimate jedi that Anakin was supposed to become. I'm not sure where it comes from though.

Originally posted by Sinious
I just remember a quote being used a lot when the potential of Luke and Anakin's were being compared in another thread. Some people believed that they had the exact same potential levels(which I disagree with) and used a quote that said Luke became the ultimate jedi that Anakin was supposed to become. I'm not sure where it comes from though.

I'm not sure either. But even that doesn't suggest he had Anakin's potential.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Key words being: "mural" and "Legends." It's an in-universe myth in a continuity that is explicitly non-canon. Canon never was subordinate to the EU and it certainly isn't now that it's under the Legends umbrella.

More powerful than Sidious, yes. Not that Anakin and Luke's potential were comparable, let alone equitable. Anakin is Father level and Luke is > Palpatine level and there's a vast gulf between Father-level and just-greater-than-Sidious level. Luke can be potentially more powerful than Sidious and still nowhere friggin near Anakin/The Father.

They're not mutually exclusive.

...According to whom? What does your personal skepticism over the lack of religions surrounding Anakin have to do with anything? And I'll remind you again that the Mortis arc was introduced to the mythology a decade after TPM was released.

Abeloth and Luke are not Anakin or The Father and Legends depictions do not have any bearing on canon ones.

Dude... Luke and Sidious are not Anakin/The Father. Why is Anakin/The Father's placement contingent upon a fight between Sidious and Luke or Luke and Abeloth?

*Didn't see this part

This might be valid if your premises were. But they're not. Anakin/The Father & the Mortis Anchorites are in a whole 'nother world next to even otherwise enormously powerful characters like Sidious.

Are you saying that TCW retconned the entire movie franchise?

Anakin and Luke's potential can be compared by the progress they made. Anakin was around 22 in ROTS and he had received training for 12 years and spent years amongst thousands of jedi during their prime.
Luke had much more limited training and in similar number of years. They're progress is very much comparable since ROTJ Luke and ROTS Anakin are comparable.

Anakin was never meant to become an all mighty god that could dominate the universe it self. He was gonna be the greatest jedi or sith ever. That's it. That was the whole point of the movies and you are telling me that 3 episodes from a show changed that?

You think ROTJ Luke~ROTS Anakin?

Did you even read the discussion taking place?

If you think that ROTS Anakin is a deity so above ROTJ Luke that they aren't comparable at all, if you think that ROTS Anakin is so much above Luke that he could obliterate him with a mere thought, then you are lost.

Originally posted by Sinious
Did you even read the discussion taking place?

If you think that ROTS Anakin is a deity so above ROTJ Luke that they aren't comparable at all, if you think that ROTS Anakin is so much above Luke that he could obliterate him with a mere thought, then you are lost.

Dave Filoni (G-Canon Source): I think Luke would lose to any of the Council Members.

Even if you think that's bullshit Luke would likely lose to the top tier councilors.
Anakin on the other hand shits on most of the council. Anyone not named Yoda would lose to Anakin sans perhaps Mace. ROTJ Luke would get godstomped by ROTS Kenobi.

Filoni gave his opinion, not something that is fact.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Dave Filoni (G-Canon Source): I think Luke would lose to any of the Council Members.

Even if you think that's bullshit Luke would likely lose to the top tier councilors.
Anakin on the other hand shits on most of the council. Anyone not named Yoda would lose to Anakin sans perhaps Mace. ROTJ Luke would get godstomped by ROTS Kenobi.

LMAO Read in what context I said they are comparable.

In that sense even Yoda and Ahsoka are comparable.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Filoni gave his opinion, not something that is fact.

Please. Bitches here praise Karpshyan's quotes as law, Filoni is a far greater authority than he'll ever be and frankly seems to be GL's successor (worked in an executive role in both the most recent additions to the canon). Its a more valid opinion than anyone on this board.

Did you even read the discussion taking place?

If you think that ROTS Anakin is a deity so above ROTJ Luke that they aren't comparable at all, if you think that ROTS Anakin is so much above Luke that he could obliterate him with a mere thought, then you are lost

1. ROTS Anakin is far far above ROTJ Luke
2. That's not even close to max potential Anakin so...red herring.

Originally posted by Lord Stark

1. ROTS Anakin is far far above ROTJ Luke
2. That's not even close to max potential Anakin so...red herring.

1. No he is not.
2. And thats not even close to max potential Luke.

But more importantly, are you saying that Anakin's potential is billions of times greater than Luke's?

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Please. Bitches here praise Karpshyan's quotes as law, Filoni is a far greater authority than he'll ever be and frankly seems to be GL's successor (worked in an executive role in both the most recent additions to the canon). Its a more valid opinion than anyone on this board.

1. ROTS Anakin is far far above ROTJ Luke
2. That's not even close to max potential Anakin so...red herring.

He said

"I think" meaning his own personal thoughts, it's his opinion. He doesn't really seem to know what Luke is capable of, even by ROTJ.

Heck he didn't even know, Luke referred to himself twice as a Jedi before telling Palpatine. One in the holo message to Jabba and again when he was talking to Yoda.

"Greetings, Exalted One. Allow me to introduce myself. I am Luke
Skywalker, Jedi Knight and friend to Captain Solo. I know that you are
powerful, mighty Jabba, and that your anger with Solo must be equally
powerful. I seek an audience with Your Greatness to bargain for Solo's
life. " - Luke via holo message to Jabba

and

"Then I am a Jedi..." - Luke to Yoda

Right in the movies, dialogue right there. But Filoni said Luke referring himself as a Jedi to Palps was the first time.

Originally posted by Sinious
1. No he is not.
2. And thats not even close to max potential Luke.

But more importantly, are you saying that Anakin's potential is billions of times greater than Luke's?

1. Yes he is are you serious? Anakin trained over a decade in the prime of the Jedi Order. He's the third best swordsman in the golden age of the order. Compared to Luke who wouldn't even rank in the top 10 of that era, yes Anakin quite frankly could take two ROTJ Lukes.
2. Let me put this to you bluntly. PRIME Luke is way WAY outgunned by Abeloth. Anakin casually subjugated two beings who combined can threaten her NOT EVEN CLOSE TO HIS MAXIMUM POTENTIAL.

Billions? Don't be ridiculous. But its multiple magnitudes. Luke is stated to be 1/12 of Abeloth's power. The Father who's more powerful than Abeloth is still inferior to max potential Anakin imo.

Then why isn't ROTS Anakin at least 12 times better than ROTJ Luke?

Originally posted by Sinious
Then why isn't ROTS Anakin at least 12 times better than ROTJ Luke?

Anakin puts far more limits on himself than Luke does.

LMAO very universal indeed. 👆

I demand a personal debate between Dave Filoni and Drew Karpyshyn. Anakin Skywalker vs Revan.

Originally posted by Sinious
LMAO very universal indeed. 👆

Way to put words in my mouth, ROTS Anakin was never universal.