Originally posted by -K-M-
So then you can't say the book is non-canon and can't say that story isn't canon either as you don't know.The JSA story? It was JSA volume 3 49-52 some issue in between there
Don't fall for his half-truths, Kissgayz, be strong. He's trying to use scans which would strengthen his position, and weaken ours. The textbook definition of non-canon.
Originally posted by -K-M-
It was joker pre joker. We really didn't know much about him.I don't particular care if it is or isn't. I have not seen anywhere where it says it's non-canon and it was referenced in a JSA book hence why I'm asking proof it's non-canon. We can't say for certain that's the point. Fyi, those stories you mentioned retconned other "origin" stories.
Killing Joke was referenced in the hush arcs.
Man who laughs was referenced in new 52 and another batman arc.
I'd say these take precedence over the JSA book.
But like you say, Joker has at least 4 canon origins that have been referenced multiple times...
Originally posted by krisblaze
Killing Joke was referenced in the hush arcs.Man who laughs was referenced in new 52 and another batman arc.
I'd say these take precedence over the JSA book.
But like you say, Joker has at least 4 canon origins that have been referenced multiple times...
Exactly. Now the new 52 is apparently making joker immortal and older then Gotham, which will retcon those origins. They could theoretically now become "non-canon" too.
I still haven't seen anything making batman confidential non-canon
Originally posted by -K-M-
Exactly. Now the new 52 is apparently making joker immortal and older then Gotham, which will retcon those origins. They could theoretically now become "non-canon" too.
Though the man who laughs is in my opinion the current "most canon" origin we have, at least until the new "immortal joker" nonsense is completed. Considering that it's been specifically referenced in the new 52 comics.
As for preboot, I suppose any of the 4 will do.
Anyways, for the sake of this thread the Batman Confidential origin is the only one that points to Joker being great at hand to hand combat and a slew of other things that have never been revisited.
All of the other origins point to the Joker's inevitable loss at the hands of Cyclops.
In my opinion 🙂
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I thought that was part of the Joker's 'thing'? That you don't know which is real and which isn't?Kinda like Ledger's 'know how I got these scars?' stories.
Pretty much
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Also seperate note as it's been years how did the Luthor and joker fight go in salvation run? I vaguely remebered he karate kicked luthor in the head
But yes I'm confident to say cyclops is a much better h2h fighter. However, I have still seen nothing that can take away the confidential showing
Originally posted by -K-M-
Pretty much
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Also seperate note as it's been years how did the Luthor and joker fight go in salvation run? I vaguely remebered he karate kicked luthor in the headBut yes I'm confident to say cyclops is a much better h2h fighter. However, I have still seen nothing that can take away the confidential showing
Originally posted by relentless1
heres a good fight with Luthor:http://s668.photobucket.com/user/jokertheclownprince/media/jokermisc-vsluthor1.jpg.html
Just click through the images. Synopsis: Joker gets some good hits in, Luthor dominates, until Joker cheats.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You do realize that Luthor cheated also?Makes it a legit showing for Joker.
Oh yes, he did in the start of the match. My point was, the Joker supporters were saying Joker would fight dirty, with biting etc, and would be immune to pain and laugh it off. I was just showing that even with all that, Lexy was still getting the upper hand - and he is not Cyke level, and shows that you don't need to be Bats level to take the Joker down.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He did beat Grayson. Although that was with the help of gas and venom.What are his other feats?
Pre-crisis days he was regularly showed hiring martial arts instructors to teach him (death of superman era). I remember one scene where the instructor got the better of him as his guard was down so he killed her later. Also during one year later story him and Clark after being depowered fought and were pretty equal. Clark won of course in the end
