Joker Vs Cyclops h2h

i don't think anybody ever said he was a better fighter than cyke but Jokers way too crazy to be taken lightly in any sort of fight

Joker doesnt know Karate, he knows Ca-razy.

Originally posted by relentless1
i don't think anybody ever said he was a better fighter than cyke but Jokers way too crazy to be taken lightly in any sort of fight

Any scans of his fighting performances?

heres a good fight with Luthor:

http://s668.photobucket.com/user/jokertheclownprince/media/jokermisc-vsluthor1.jpg.html

Batgirl not able to read his body language:

http://s668.photobucket.com/user/jokertheclownprince/media/jokermisc-batgirlcain3a.jpg.html

getting a couple good shots on Aquaman:

http://s668.photobucket.com/user/jokertheclownprince/media/jokermisc-fishylaugh1a.jpg.html

I mean this in the nicest way possible - but those aren't that impressive, nor are they of DCnU Joker.

The Luthor fight, Luthor, who I rate below Cyclops, was actually smacking him around an winning, until he cheated with the flower. This despite all the 'crazy Joker antics', like biting and laughing at pain etc. He used all that, and was still losing, until the acid flower.

The Batgirl fight is not quite the same - she relies on body language reading, and remove that, and she's screwed. Cyclops doesn't rely on it. Moreover, Joker was using his buzzer (numbing her arm) and using chairs etc on her. Hardly a h2h fight.

I'd like to say the Aquaman/Joker fights is PIS, but its Aquaman, so....prob not 😈

Here's my take:
Neither of the characters is a pure h2h fighter. Joker uses gadgets and Cyclops is a ranged fighter due to his optic blasts (the Provided Joker scan with joy buzzer. The provided Cyclops scan with optic blast shattering sword).
While Cyclops is the more classically trained of the two, Joker is more apt to get into physical altercations on a regular basis.

Pretty even fight, really. One i think Joker wins, though great points have been made both ways...

Actually Joker never won because they never fought, duh.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I mean this in the nicest way possible - but those aren't that impressive, nor are they of DCnU Joker.

The Luthor fight, Luthor, who I rate below Cyclops, was actually smacking him around an winning, until he cheated with the flower. This despite all the 'crazy Joker antics', like biting and laughing at pain etc. He used all that, and was still losing, until the acid flower.

The Batgirl fight is not quite the same - she relies on body language reading, and remove that, and she's screwed. Cyclops doesn't rely on it. Moreover, Joker was using his buzzer (numbing her arm) and using chairs etc on her. Hardly a h2h fight.

I'd like to say the Aquaman/Joker fights is PIS, but its Aquaman, so....prob not 😈

Originally posted by deathslash
he also fought nightwing in The Last Laugh and more recently, was shown to be so fast that he could stab batman twice without bruce even knowing.

Got scans?

And without a blade, how deadly will he be?

DCNU Joker doesn't have the feats, this is riduclous.

Preboot could give Cyclops a fight in some incarnations, like in Morrison's Batman and Robin.

Nightwing literally beat him to death with his bare hands in Last Laugh.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nightwing literally beat him to death with his bare hands in Last Laugh.

Originally posted by deathslash
IIRC, that was the Joker's last wish; to taint Batman (or at least his former sidekick) with his death. And before he let Dick beat him to death, he was putting a a pretty good fight.

We'll need scans.

@kris blaze: well, was only going off earlier posters who were happy to use Snyder's POTENTIAL HF Joker.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Got scans?

Yah, I thought it was that showing 👆

Its...erm...again, not that impressive. Now, I may sound like I'm picking holes in everything, but is there a nice, good showing of Joker, using ONLY h2h, winning a fight? Going up against Nightwing and deliberately trying to die isn't exactly a good showing, lol. It just shows Joker CAN be beaten to death...

Because so far, all I've see of a fight that goes the way Joker's supporters are claiming - where he kicks and bites and uses his damage soak and laughs off punches - is the Luthor fight, where Luthor is winning the beat down (until Joker cheats). In this fight, he has no acid flower...

We are at an impasse. No Joker showing will ever be truely impressive.
No cyclops feat will ever be on the Bat family's level.

Originally posted by riv6672
No cyclops feat will ever be on the Bat family's level.

And Joker's feats dont need to be that impressive to take down Cyclops.

Impasse.

Originally posted by riv6672
And Joker's feats dont need to be that impressive to take down Cyclops.

Impasse.

But they should at the very least be of him taking down someone.

Exactly. So far, I haven't seen him taking ANYONE down, and the most relevant fight I've seen (against Luthor, who isn't Bat family level), where Joker is biting and laughing at the pain, Joker was still losing.

Until he cheated with an acid flower. Which he won't have here.

So all Cyclops needs to be, h2h wise, is Lex level. Which I believe he is, based on the scans I've seen.