Originally posted by -Pr-
You're exaggerating just a tad, there. You could just say Joker wins without going so far ott, you know.
No, I'm being perfectly accurate.
Luthor could hold his own against Amazons while training.
Joker has a 70 year history of periodically fighting Batman as a competitive peer since Batman #1. That's the character.
Clown at Midnight manifestation being a clearly Batman-class combatant. And thus far beyond Cyclops.
Originally posted by panthergod
No, I'm being perfectly accurate.Luthor could hold his own against Amazons while training.
Joker has a 70 year history of periodically fighting Batman as a competitive peer since Batman #1. That's the character.
Clown at Midnight manifestation being a clearly Batman-class combatant. And thus far beyond Cyclops.
The Amazons themselves said Lex wasn't up to snuff. And Lex isn't on Joker's level. At all. So no, you weren't.
Originally posted by -Pr-
The Amazons themselves said Lex wasn't up to snuff.
And Lex isn't on Joker's level. At all. So no, you weren't.
pay attention to what is being argued and stop misinterpreting my claims.
Originally posted by panthergod
He doesn't have to be equal to them. He held his own against them while training.-- before losing concentration when Superman was mentioned. That's comparable to anything Cyclops has on average.This statement has nothing to do with my claim, and in fact strengthens my stance that Joker can defeat Cyclops.
pay attention to what is being argued and stop misinterpreting my claims.
If he'd truly held his own, I imagine their opinion of him wouldn't have been so low. Not to mention "trained by Amazons" only gets you so much cred. Luthor's best H2H feats in the last few decades are what, fighting an inconsistently written Superman?
Cyclops's h2h feats aren't even that great, and are yet still superior to Lex's.
No, it really doesn't, though I don't recall saying Cyclops could beat Joker recently.
Be clearer and less hyperbolic and I will, maybe.
Originally posted by Quick Freeze
I agree with Panthergod