Originally posted by Time ImmemorialSo even if that were true, there is more than one reason why that amendment was added, the other thing the Founding Fathers gave us was the ability to adapt and modify the constitution as we need for the changing times.
Giving the people arms was to prevent a out of control government that could and most likely will turn on the people and gives them a way to defend and correct the situation.
Like I said there is not viable reason to say every civilian needs the right to be armed. Prevent the government from taking us over? That's worked well in countries that still allow guns but still have dictatorships. I mean if you want to think having an assault rifle somehow means you can stand up to a force of tanks, planes, drones and heavily armed/armored trained people be my guest.
Originally posted by Newjak
Please enlighten me,
How's this:
http://www.thenationalpatriot.com/2014/11/21/amnesty-for-millions-tyranny-for-all/
Originally posted by Newjak
So even if that were true, there is more than one reason why that amendment was added, the other thing the Founding Fathers gave us was the ability to adapt and modify the constitution as we need for the changing times.Like I said there is not viable reason to say every civilian needs the right to be armed. Prevent the government from taking us over? That's worked well in countries that still allow guns but still have dictatorships. I mean if you want to think having an assault rifle somehow means you can stand up to a force of tanks, planes, drones and heavily armed/armored men be my guest.
Even if that was true? Fact is that it is true.
Hahaha I guess you have not been to the middle east or know that you can fight a war against people with tanks, planes and ships, and not have any of that. Hence the entire Afghan and Iraq wars.
Originally posted by Time ImmemorialNo they also had it put in because well people needed firearms to survive back in those days. They also needed able bodies people that could easily armed should they need to fight a war. Those are all true things. Yours a bit a propaganda that really hasn't been grounded in any facts or statements of the founding fathers
Even if that was true? Fact is that it is true.Hahaha I guess you have not been to the middle east or know that you can fight a war against people with tanks, planes and ships, and not have any of that. Hence the entire Afghan and Iraq wars.
Except Saddam did have those things we just had much better versions of them.
Also look how successful he was fending us off. Also look how successful his own people were fending Saddam off when he took power.
It's like you're trying to quote history without looking at the context of the history you are quoting.
Originally posted by Star428
How's this:http://www.thenationalpatriot.com/2014/11/21/amnesty-for-millions-tyranny-for-all/
Mostly everyone here has been drinking to much fluoride, they love anything handed down by there elected officials.. 😆
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Hahaha I guess you have not been to the middle east or know that you can fight a war against people with tanks, planes and ships, and not have any of that. Hence the entire Afghan and Iraq wars.
So you're saying you're the American ISIS in this hypothetical scenario where you take on the US government after Obama declares himself forever-king
Originally posted by Time ImmemorialWhat he quoted wasn't even related to the topic at hand. It states nothing saying the founding fathers added the second amendment to keep governments in check.
Mostly everyone here has been drinking to much fluoride, they love anything handed down by there elected officials.. 😆
Originally posted by Newjak
No they also had it put in because well people needed firearms to survive back in those days. They also needed able bodies people that could easily armed should they need to fight a war. Those are all true things. Yours a bit a propaganda that really hasn't been grounded in any facts or statements of the founding fathersExcept Saddam did have those things we just had much better versions of them.
Also look how successful he was fending us off. Also look how successful his own people were fending Saddam off when he took power.
It's like you're trying to quote history without looking at the context of the history you are quoting.
Your talking about a country vastly smaller with much less population that SH had been killing off any opposition for 30 years. The US is much different, and so are the people.
Originally posted by Robtard
So you're saying you're the American ISIS in this hypothetical scenario where you take on the US government after Obama declares himself forever-king
Are you putting words in my mouth for the fun of it, or you just like making me laugh. I said the reason why we were given the right to bear arms. But I know you are really against this so you will do or say whatever to make your side look good.
What interests me more is why you don't care about the constitution or its laws in any situation in which the liberals want to ignore, step on and throw it out. But love to hang on it when it suits your liberal beliefs.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Your talking about a country vastly smaller with much less population that SH had been killing off any opposition for 30 years. The US is much different, and so are the people.
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I also guess he ignored the link I gave that details of what has happened repeatedly throughout history to the citizens of countries who have been disarmed by their government. He and others like him are too stubborn to admit that the importance of the second amendment is just as relevant today as it was over 200 years ago. I wouldn't bother trying to reason with any of them if I were you, TI. A waste of time.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Are you putting words in my mouth for the fun of it, or you just like making me laugh. I said the reason why we were given the right to bear arms. But I know you are really against this so you will do or say whatever to make your side look good.What interests me more is why you don't care about the constitution or its laws in any situation in which the liberals want to ignore, step on and throw it out. But love to hang on it when it suits your liberal beliefs.
My error, that should have had a question mark after it, thereby asking you if this was your belief/stance.
Such as? If you recall, I am pro-gun ownership, as I noted I "would own a handgun or possibly a shotgun for home-defense if I felt insecure".
Originally posted by Star428
👆I also guess he ignored the link I gave that details of what has happened repeatedly throughout history to the citizens of countries who have been disarmed by their government. He and others like him are too stubborn to admit that the importance of the second amendment is just as relevant today as it was over 200 years ago. I wouldn't bother trying to reason with any of them if I were you, TI. A waste of time.
Yup, but they dont care, they just love government oversight on every facet of their life.
Its the reason America is in the situation we are because of stupid ideology and forgetting our roots. You could take 10 people that post of them on the forum, both of us included and it would be, 2 out of 10 actually believe in the roots we were founded in, the rest just give up their rights because someone tells them too.
Originally posted by Time ImmemorialThis just pure stupidity. I'm sorry I'm not calling you stupid but this extreme if you don't agree with us you're a mindless idiot stance annoys me to no end. I know it isn't just a one sided thing but I'm addressing you now since you've said.
Yup, but they dont care, they just love government oversight on every facet of their life.Its the reason America is in the situation we are because of stupid ideology and forgetting our roots. You could take 10 people that post of them on the forum, both of us included and it would be, 2 out of 10 actually believe in the roots we were founded in, the rest just give up their rights because someone tells them too.
This kind of close minded talk is why there can not be any real discussion. This mentality of if you aren't with us you hate freedom and are puppets.
That is not the case nor will it ever be. You are not some rational know it all. I can look at your side and see some merit. I just think overall the picture isn't as one sided as you think. I don't think we are going to fall apart if we do not all have guns. There are plenty of freedom enjoying countries around the world that can attest to this side of things.
I can at least understand the fear of feeling defenseless though, even though you practically already are, and that desire to clutch to something that makes you feel safe.
Still I will not sit here and allow brow beating tactics like that to not go called out. You sir have stated something ignorant and lacking intellectual thought.