Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Im not sweetheart
Then why use names like that to try to prove it?
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
It would be good if that was true.Do you even lift bro?
Well, he kinda has a point. You seem very "us v them" for some reason. Rather than actually reaching out to people, you attack them. Why?
Oi!
PR, I apologize for my arguments being so harsh and directed at you (you just happened to make the best arguments from the other side, imo). You're not a stranger on the internet. You're a cool dude I've had the pleasure of talking to for years. You deserved a bit more respect than what I sent. So forgive the harshness of how I presented the arguments. I don't know how to make my arguments any less harsh, however.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Liberalism is the exact opposite of freedom.
In America, yes, this is spot-on accurate of most American Liberals.
Regulating the shit out of everything and micromanaging all aspects of people's lives (a nanny-state) is what being a liberal means in America. That's just stupid. That's the opposite of a liberal.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
That's almost a good joke.
Since as far back as 2008, he told me he was a moderate. I believe him. At the time, he had no vested interest in winning an argument about being called a moderate. Some of his ideas are more similar to libertarianism than, say, Republican or Democratic conservatism.
Originally posted by dadudemonEasy, restrict both.
I wasn't going to post anything but TI is doing a horrible job of arguing against the anti-gun people in this thread.What? **** no, that's wrong. More people die each year from alcohol than firearms.
88,000 people die from alcohol related deaths.
http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohol-health/overview-alcohol-consumption/alcohol-facts-and-statistics8,896 gun homicides in 2012.
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/citation/quotes/8902Conclusion based on your logic: alcohol should be made illegal and gun laws should be relaxed until the numbers reach parity (if at all possible...which it is not).
And, yes, cigarettes will kill you. That's an absurd argument to make. INB4 "that wasn't my point it was that an inaminate object, bla bla bla." I know, I know.
It's not just great logic, is THE logic that these policies should be based on (because it either shows how slippery slope the argument is or shows why one side or the other is being treated unfairly). If alcohol, which definitely kills far more people each year, is legal with the idea that "adults should drink responsibly", then guns should be legal with the idea that "adults should use them responsibly."
Take your sentence and plug in many different things into and see how it looks:
"I'm still not sure what the reasoning is, other than "I want it", for allowing people to drive cars."
"I'm still not sure what the reasoning is, other than "I want it", for allowing people to use tobacco products."
"I'm still not sure what the reasoning is, other than "I want to", for allowing people to play sports."
"I'm still not sure what the reasoning is, other than "I want to", for allowing people to eat unhealthy foods."
"I'm still not sure what the reasoning is, other than "I want to", for allowing people to be commercial fishers."
Just because you don't want to do it does not mean others should not get to do those things. Owning and shooting a gun has the same common sense requirements as drinking: adults should do it responsibly. With guns, at least, kids can safely fire them under careful adult supervision...unlike alcohol and other drugs.
I see your question as being a problem, in and of itself. It incorrectly places Assault Rifles on a very high shelf of "scary" and "dangerous" that is very silly. All firearms (that fire slugs) are overtly and lethally dangerous. Saying that Assault Rifles must get a magical consideration when handguns shouldn't is eye-rollingly silly.
Target shooting, skeet shooting, hunting, bla bla bla. Why do you care so much about what responsible adults are doing for hobbies? Let's be serious: is it really any of your business? The answer to that question is emphatically "no." It is not open for interpretation. So you're afraid of someone going on a killing spree with an assault rifle, eh? Well, killing someone with any gun is illegal. So why does it matter?
Do you think making assault rifles illegal is going to magically make killing sprees stop? "No, but it will make killing people a lot more difficult."
Cool. Let's pretend your rhetoric and people with rhetoric like yours gets their way. Now we've invested all this time into trying to prevent 8000-9000 annual deaths just because you are afraid of guns. Don't you think we could have spent our time and money on others things and prevented many more deaths?
A smart/educated person would argue against my point with the following: "You're creating a false dichotomy. It is not 'either this or that.' We can do both." Then I just direct you back to the other points: if you want to restrict gun access to not really prevent 8000-ish deaths (because you won't really prevent much with extremely strict gun laws: fact...it is not a gun control issue, it is a cultural and poverty issue), then why are you not restricting alcohol to prevent the 88,000-ish deaths? Assault rifles make up a disproportionately smaller percentage of deaths compared to other firearms (meaning, per capita, those gun deaths are not as likely from assault rifles as they are handguns).
Edit - INB4 "dadudemon mad, bro". A strong argument does not mean a person is "mad bro." It's just a strong argument.
Not really a strong argument tbh.
Originally posted by Reflassshh
Easy, restrict both.
Yeah, doing away with the second amendment entirely sounds like a fabulous plan. Hell, while we're at it, let's just go ahead and do away with the Constitution entirely. I mean, with how so many people like you who are apathetic and don't care about protecting our rights that our forefathers set in place for a reason we're no doubt headed for a full-blown militarized police state anyway. Might as well go ahead and speed things up, right? 🙄