Originally posted by Star428
The Nazis disarmed their citizens too so none of their citizens could fight back.Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it- George Santayana (Spanish philosopher)
Wake up, sheep, before it's too late.
Not nearly the same as what's being asked. That's a massive straw man and you know it.
LOL. You poor fools keep kidding yourselves all u want too. I pity you.
http://www.teapartytribune.com/2013/01/05/what-happens-when-governments-disarm-their-citizens/
To conquer a nation, first disarm it's citizens-Adolf Hitler
Originally posted by Star428
LOL. You poor fools keep kidding yourselves all u want too. I pity you.http://www.teapartytribune.com/2013/01/05/what-happens-when-governments-disarm-their-citizens/
To conquer a nation, first disarm it's citizens-Adolf Hitler
That quote looks like it's more Argumentum Ad Hitlerums or the like
Originally posted by Star428
The Nazis disarmed their citizens too so none of their citizens could fight back.Wake up, sheep, before it's too late.
He did restrict weapons including firearms for Jews in 1938, but let's not act as if the Nazi's rise to power and the Holocaust would have been avoided if Germany had been a country of red-blooded, God-fearing gunowners (TM) like America is.
Meanwhile, our borders are wide open and Obama is trying to allow thousands of illegal aliens to be exempt from being deported and even trying to get them to enjoy many of the benefits that honest American citizens already benefit from.
Anyone who thinks that ISIS sleeper cells aren't already here is kidding themselves. They're just patiently waiting for the right moment to strike and all the so-called "peaceful" muslims already in this country (and there's a lot) won't hesitate to help them or even join up with them when the SHTF regardless of how much they say they claim they don't support those murderers. When ISIS finally strikes (and they WILL sooner or later) I want to make sure I'm prepared. Not defenseless.
If some of you people would do some research you'd realize that the government has been openly training thousands of foreign troops right here on American soil. They've also been stockpiling tons of a special type of ammunition. Why are they doing all these things? It's obvious to me that they know sooner or later we are going to suffer an economic collapse that will make the Great Depression look like a picnic and they know there's nothing they can do to stop it from happening forever.
They can keep printing all the money they want to and delaying the inevitable but once the dollar loses it's status as the world's reserve currency that will no longer work. Then we're ****ed. Martial law will have to be declared and the government knows they will need all the help they can get to deal with the chaotic public. Hence, the training of all the foreign troops and the stockpiling of the special ammunition.
But, yeah. Let's just willingly hand over our only defense to the government and terrorists to make it easier for them. 🙄
I'm glad that the American Revolution wasn't fought by people like you all or else we would be living under the British still. Hell, we probably wouldn't even have stood up to King George with people like you and there wouldn't have even been a Revolution.
Originally posted by Star428Since when does 'restrict' equate to 'take all our weapons away'?
Yeah, doing away with the second amendment entirely sounds like a fabulous plan. Hell, while we're at it, let's just go ahead and do away with the Constitution entirely. I mean, with how so many people like you who are apathetic and don't care about protecting our rights that our forefathers set in place for a reason we're no doubt headed for a full-blown militarized police state anyway. Might as well go ahead and speed things up, right? 🙄
Originally posted by dadudemonWouldn't less restriction make current situation even worse?
Or less/equal restrictions on both.That's what my arguments boil down to, really. So you did catch the gist of it.
Ah ok.
Originally posted by Star428
Also, just want to add that Obama is fully aware that if martial law is declared he can stay in office indefinitely. Considering some of his actions, I fear that is what he wants and is even trying to make it happen.
Seems like some serious fear-mongering, imo. But rest easy, friend, we have the 20th Amendment.
If something were to stop the election process such as a state of "martial law", the 20th amendment is in place to deal with a scenario of "no president-elect". Congress can elect a [temporary] President once Obama's term is up.
edit: That wiki link won't work as KMC is altering the link, but you can look up the 20th Amendment
Personally I am okay with more gun restrictions. I don't know if I would out right ban them but at the least I think they should be restricted in the same vein of cars. You need a permit to own one after having gone through training to use the weapon properly. Also having different levels of permits for different classes of firearms.
I don't believe every American should own a gun. Especially after two potentially fatal incidents with firearms I personally witnessed. One was a drunk/high woman deciding to take her shotgun and point at people at a party. The other being when I was a kid going hunting with my dad and his friend and their kid. The other dad allowed their child to load their gun. At which point he pointed the gun at me and made fake gun noises like he was shooting me. At that point my father took me and we walked back to camp because he was smart enough to realize a stupid dangerous situation.
At some point in American history when we A) did not have standing army, and B) most people had to hunt to for food every family needing a gun was needed. I do not believe those are viable reasons anymore.
We have a standing military and most people do not need guns for their survival or their job.
On a different point I have seen smoking and drinking advertised as some sort of counter balance to the argument of getting rid of something clearly harmful. Well why don't we ban these things first.
Let me say that we highly regulate and force penalties on alcohol. You can only drink at the age of 21. You can have many legal actions taken against you for improper use of alcohol such as drinking and driving. Also serving certain proofs of alcoholic beverages is illegal.
Smoking is also at an all time low in the US. Only an estimated 16% of adults smoke in America anymore. This is because we have constantly been exposing the bad consequences of smoking. Now less people smoke.
Also you can do multiple things at once. There is a lot of money being sunk into showing the horrible consequences of improper drinking and smoking. You can also spend time and money taking down guns as well. It's not like one issue needs to be addressed at a time.
Now I could see someone saying well if you want to limit gun related deaths do the same things you do with other vices. Show promotional material that shows the horribleness of not using guns properly. Here is where I think guns and drinking/smoking are fundamentally different and where firearms are more like vehicles. Guns require a certain level competency to operate properly much like an automobile. Where as drinking or smoking require no such thing. Which is why I feel guns should restricted more than in the vein of cars. Age limit/mandatory training that kind of thing.
As for personal protection violent crime in america is lower now than it was in the 90s yet less people own guns now then back in the 90s. Other countries seem to get along fine as well. There is no statistical link showing that having citizenship with less firearms reduces personal safety. There is also no statistical connection showing in the inverse having more guns increases personal safety.
Originally posted by Time ImmemorialPlease enlighten me, while conveniently ignoring everything else in the post? Something I've seen you do multiple times in this thread.
Its funny you all have forgotten why we were given the right to bear arms. Some people should read more on American history. It has nothing to do with us having a military either.
Originally posted by Bardock42
TI is right, we have forgotten why the right to bear arms was given in the first place, so that King George III can't come in your home and live there rent free, and by God, if that's not more relevant today than anything, I don't know what is!
As a person from Germany I know you know next to nothing about America or its constitution or politics. But hey you guys are real good at getting the world involved in 2 world wars.