Originally posted by Branlor Swift
The fight with Photon was only more impressive in that the energy caused collateral damage... although Cap was right below them.
Besides the collateral damage, I view the fight as being more impressive due to the fact that the Sentry was actually trying here and I hold Genis in higher regards then I do the Hulk. Genis is way more versatile and a harder character to put down in my opinion (as shown by the way Bob had no real chance of winning that fight).
And I'd put a lot more stock in it if the only damage caused wasn't just Sentry getting a little bit hurt. Say for example they had a rematch, both going all out stated on panel. However they only destroyed a room but both sides took significant injuries with Sentry winning.
Would you still refer favourably to their first fight and say that was a greater display of power?
I'm not arguing that the Sentry released more energy while fighting Genis, I just feel he was more impressive during that fight then he was fighting the Hulk when he was just standing there smiling as the Hulk was beating on him. Sure the Sentry slapped him a few times and karate chopped him on top of the head to antagonize him, but he wasn't fighting to win. He needed a target and the Hulk was it at the time.
I'll also say this about the WWH fight. I believe the Sentry was containing the energy he was emitting to the area they were battling in hence the tornados and so forth. His biggest fear is killing innocents with his power. Why would he all of sudden say damn the people and just let go? I feel it was contained and directed at the Hulk. Just my feeling and I'm sure others feel differently.
The biggest problem with the entire WWH fight is people confuse it as being the best the Sentry can do just because he released all of his energy. That's not the case.
The city was evacuated. The people that was out there, Sentry didn't care one bit about killing as shown here.
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media-full//wwh018.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media-full//wwh019.jpg.html
Tony would've been gone if he was shielded. No telling who else was near death during that scene.
Also, the part where you said Sentry let hulk hit him, imo, it Appears as if Sentry blitz was stopped by Hulk fist and Hulk proceeded at pounding his face in. A punch from a Hulk that powerful obviously stunned him.
Originally posted by carver9
The city was evacuated. The people that was out there, Sentry didn't care one bit about killing as shown here.http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media-full//wwh018.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media-full//wwh019.jpg.htmlTony would've been gone if he was shielded. No telling who else was near death during that scene.
The Sentry half assing his power against Genis was damaging and destroying worlds, but here he's unleashing everything he has and we're to believe only a city block gets harmed? Marvel earth must be made out of some stern stuff.
Also, the part where you said Sentry let hulk hit him, imo, it Appears as if Sentry blitz was stopped by Hulk fist and Hulk proceeded at pounding his face in. A punch from a Hulk that powerful obviously stunned him.
Lol. The speed blitz was only one part of the fight. The Sentry wasn't smiling and asking for more during the fight?
Cripes, here he's holding a conversation while the Hulk is beating on him and the Sentry isn't even trying to block a punch.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/wwh0225.jpg
Here he's just standing there asking for the Hulk to punch him some more.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/wwh014.jpg
Hulk's lucky the Sentry wasn't fighting to win.
Originally posted by tkitna
The Sentry half assing his power against Genis was damaging and destroying worlds, but here he's unleashing everything he has and we're to believe only a city block gets harmed? Marvel earth must be made out of some stern stuff.Lol. The speed blitz was only one part of the fight. The Sentry wasn't smiling and asking for more during the fight?
Cripes, here he's holding a conversation while the Hulk is beating on him and the Sentry isn't even trying to block a punch.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/wwh0225.jpgHere he's just standing there asking for the Hulk to punch him some more.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/wwh014.jpgHulk's lucky the Sentry wasn't fighting to win.
So this is about collateral damage because if so, Hulk did far more collateral damage against Ironman during their scuffle. Their fight was literally destroying the city MINUS energy attacks. Collateral damage means nothing in a fight, especially given the damage Sentry took vs what he withstood against Genis.
Your first scan, look at the noise it was making when Hulk is aiming to punch Sentry in the face and look at the armor peeling back on Hulks arm. Sentry is trying to stop Hulk, just not the way you think he would be able to stop him. Why stop a being brute strength who is obviously stronger than you physically?
The next scene I took as Sentry being dazed. You're also forgetting Hulk allowed Sentry to crash him through buildings and punch him with an energy punch.
Lol...fighting to win? Sentry knew the consequences facing a Hulk of this power.
Originally posted by carver9
The city was evacuated. The people that was out there, Sentry didn't care one bit about killing as shown here.http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media-full//wwh018.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media-full//wwh019.jpg.htmlTony would've been gone if he was shielded. No telling who else was near death during that scene.
Also, the part where you said Sentry let hulk hit him, imo, it Appears as if Sentry blitz was stopped by Hulk fist and Hulk proceeded at pounding his face in. A punch from a Hulk that powerful obviously stunned him.
Come on Carv, I'll only say a small piece because I am ill at the moment so I don't feel like investing myself in a big argument. I agree with your comment about Sentry being out of control and not giving a crap at that point about whoever died or not. But as we know at multiple points in the fight he made a few last ditch efforts to get the Hulk to put him down.
Saying "Just, once, more" very much implies that he wants Hulk to put him down. I don't see how it could be seen any different.
Even here he's allowing Hulk to hit him but perhaps not for the same reasons.
Heck even Hulk acknowledged that the satellites wouldn't stop him.
People will see this comment and say so you're saying he was holding back? No he wasn't holding back. He was weakened by his Agoraphobia and he lost control halfway through the fight or perhaps quicker. Which was when he started unleashing all his power. Because if you notice when he fights others he isn't always letting all this energy escape. Because when he's relatively stable he can hold it in.
Everything I see this discussion with you I can't help but think that you're worried about Hulk not getting any credit because Sentry had something up with him.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Sentry aside. Whats BM energy absorbing feats? Is he able to drain to manipulate gamma energy?
But no... He hasn't done anything on panel that directly involves gamma energy.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Come on Carv, I'll only say a small piece because I am ill at the moment so I don't feel like investing myself in a big argument. I agree with your comment about Sentry being out of control and not giving a crap at that point about whoever died or not. But as we know at multiple points in the fight he made a few last ditch efforts to get the Hulk to put him down.Saying "Just, once, more" very much implies that he wants Hulk to put him down. I don't see how it could be seen any different.
Uh what? I'm sorry but that's such a blatant misrepresentation of the scene that I couldn't help but post the scans:
Sentry just once more was clearly referring to him being able to hit the Hulk again at full power, something he's not able to ever do.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Even here he's allowing Hulk to hit him but perhaps not for the same reasons.Heck even Hulk acknowledged that the satellites wouldn't stop him.
People will see this comment and say so you're saying he was holding back? No he wasn't holding back. He was weakened by his Agoraphobia and he lost control halfway through the fight or perhaps quicker. Which was when he started unleashing all his power. Because if you notice when he fights others he isn't always letting all this energy escape. Because when he's relatively stable he can hold it in.
Everything I see this discussion with you I can't help but think that you're worried about Hulk not getting any credit because Sentry had something up with him.
Sentry's not really letting Hulk do anything. He's getting punched in the face because Hulk's that strong. At the same time he's bombarding Hulk with his energy and fighting back. Here's the entire scene instead of random snippets.
It's true he's being weird and he could have fought more strategically but that's because he's batshit crazy and is rocking a danger boner. And in terms of comic logic, he did fight very strategically. Keeping in the air and bombarding Hulk from a distance with energy? That's as smart as comic book fighters go unless they're Batman tbh.
Sentry was weakened? That's the opposite of the writer's intentions in this fight. He's specified how Sentry was finally cutting loose with all his power both in the comic and in interviews.
The idea that Sentry was weakened not only goes against common sense based on the context of the fight but pretty much ignores everything we know about Pak being a Hulk fanboy.
Now while it's true Sentry has displayed greater power to varying degrees with the Void and such in the future, that's not really changing the context of this scene at the time.
Attaching random conjecture like him being weakened by agoraphobia when it was never hinted in the actual comics is the same thing you're accusing Carver off. The comic actually implies the exact opposite:
http://postimg.org/image/gudfuwi4x/
Sentry OVERCAME his agoraphobia through Stark's coaxing.
And I'm a Thor fanboy, Hulk looking good against Sentry isn't exactly my agenda but print is print.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Uh what? I'm sorry but that's such a blatant misrepresentation of the scene that I couldn't help but post the scans:
Sentry just once more was clearly referring to him being able to hit the Hulk again at full power, something he's not able to ever do.
Sentry's not really letting Hulk do anything. He's getting punched in the face because Hulk's that strong. At the same time he's bombarding Hulk with his energy.
It's true he's being very weird and he could have fought more strategically but that's because he's batshit crazy and is rocking a danger boner.
Sentry was weakened? That's the opposite of the writer's intentions in this fight. He's specified how Sentry was finally cutting loose with all his power both in the comic and in interviews.
The idea that Sentry was weakened not only goes against common sense based on the context of the fight but pretty much ignores everything we know about Pak being a Hulk fanboy.
Now while it's true Sentry has displayed greater power to varying degrees with the Void and such in the future, that's not really changing the context of this scene at the time.
Attaching random conjecture like him being weakened by agrophobia when it was never hinted in the actual comics is the same thing you're accusing Carver off.
And I'm a Thor fanboy, Hulk looking good against Sentry isn't exactly my agenda but print is print.
It's not a misrrepresentation, I wouldn't do something like that. I'm going to ask you a simple question. Why did Sentry ask Hulk to punch him? In the same vein that he asked Thor to kill him in Siege. He wanted to be put down when he could muster himself from a Berserkergang like state.
I said he was weakened due to his Agoraphobia as we see when Reed and Stark are talking with him. He went into that fight with no choice. And he ended up losing control and going all out as he wasn't mentally stable.
He mentioned his Agoraphobia here.
http://i.imgur.com/SQRUA3a.jpg
I like this fight, I just think there is a bit of context. People have said Sentry intentionally went all out when he lost control. He didn't willingly attack Hulk did he. He went there because Hulk had sentenced the heroes to death.
Originally posted by krisblaze
I never understood why people would argue the content of WWH, when it's so clear what Pak wanted to show.It would've been much easier to simply argue that Pak was off his rocker and that it was PIS trash.
Which it was 🙂
According to Enzeru, he mentioned to me that apparently Pak had originally wanted Sentry to fight Hulk first and that Hulk would have broken Sentry's bones in one punch.
But Brevoort had to overrule him.
Originally posted by krisblaze
"He's been standing in the doorway the last 29 hours"Pak handling complex mental disorders.
This arc was beyond shit.
Yeah I mean I don't think many writers tackled the Agoraphobia completely. It's a hard thing to look at as I would know myself from dealing with it myself every day.
Was there any more about the arc you hated? I mean for me I like the art just because of how Romita was the one to draw Sentry Vol 2.
Originally posted by krisblaze
I never understood why people would argue the content of WWH, when it's so clear what Pak wanted to show.It would've been much easier to simply argue that Pak was off his rocker and that it was PIS trash.
Which it was 🙂
This is pretty much correct. WWH was full of nonsense. The Sentry showing was laughable considering the things Sentry has done on the high end of things. Not only that, but it involved a bunch of heroes just acting like morons throughout the entire story. The true "war" in the story was a war on common sense.
