Blue Marvel VERSUS World War Hulk

Originally posted by Surtur
They could of sent the Hulk into a black hole or the core of a star. He wouldn't of been able to come back without outside assistance if they did that.

Or for that matter Reed Richards could of just f*cking cured him by now. Or come up with some type of solution that was better then "put him into space and leave him to chance".

Unfortunately he could and probably would by virtue of him being the strongest one there is under Pak.

How you ask? I have no clue, it'd probably involve punching something though.

Originally posted by carver9
So this is about collateral damage because if so, Hulk did far more collateral damage against Ironman during their scuffle. Their fight was literally destroying the city MINUS energy attacks. Collateral damage means nothing in a fight, especially given the damage Sentry took vs what he withstood against Genis.

So although the interpretation isn't consistent, its fine because you want to believe that was the best the Sentry had to offer. I understand now.

Your first scan, look at the noise it was making when Hulk is aiming to punch Sentry in the face and look at the armor peeling back on Hulks arm. Sentry is trying to stop Hulk, just not the way you think he would be able to stop him. Why stop a being brute strength who is obviously stronger than you physically?

Its the constant release of energy that was having no effect. We all know that. Instead of physically trying to fight (or at least an attempt to dodge or even act like your trying to fight), he was doing nothing more then antagonizing the Hulk so that he could continue with the energy release. That was what he wanted and that's what he did. Not the best strategy I would think.

Who said this version of the Hulk was stronger then the Sentry physically? Just because the Hulk says he's the strongest one there is, are we supposed to take that at face value? I would say that its hard to prove when you have one person trying to actually lose the fight.

The next scene I took as Sentry being dazed. You're also forgetting Hulk allowed Sentry to crash him through buildings and punch him with an energy punch.

I see no indication of the Sentry being dazed. Does anybody else?

Lol...fighting to win? Sentry knew the consequences facing a Hulk of this power.

Yeah, he saw an opportunity to release all of the maddening energy he had and he took it. I'm sure he probably thought it would kill the Hulk, but he didn't really care. It was all about himself during that fight. If it wasn't, he wouldn't have stood there asking to be punched over and over again.

The Sentry has a ton of powers he could have used at his disposal like flight, speed, TK, teleportation, etc,,but yet he didn't use them. Why? He had his own agenda and I cant believe you refuse to admit that. I realize your favorite character might not be seen as all that, but come on man. If the Sentry was actually trying to win and was getting beat that bad, don't you think the Void would have reared his ugly face at some point? Everybody knows what Pak was trying to do, but he did a miserable job with this arc.

Originally posted by carver9
Do you think that would've stopped Hulk indefinitely? Knowing Hulks history.

Tell me how Hulk could escape it? You know his capabilities.

For those wondering, here is the Zeno Room. I just added a vacuum around it. Reed says it was really easy for him to whip up: the vacuum would be to negate thunderclaps etc.

Originally posted by tkitna
So although the interpretation isn't consistent, its fine because you want to believe that was the best the Sentry had to offer. I understand now.

Its the constant release of energy that was having no effect. We all know that. Instead of physically trying to fight (or at least an attempt to dodge or even act like your trying to fight), he was doing nothing more then antagonizing the Hulk so that he could continue with the energy release. That was what he wanted and that's what he did. Not the best strategy I would think.

Who said this version of the Hulk was stronger then the Sentry physically? Just because the Hulk says he's the strongest one there is, are we supposed to take that at face value? I would say that its hard to prove when you have one person trying to actually lose the fight.

I see no indication of the Sentry being dazed. Does anybody else?

Yeah, he saw an opportunity to release all of the maddening energy he had and he took it. I'm sure he probably thought it would kill the Hulk, but he didn't really care. It was all about himself during that fight. If it wasn't, he wouldn't have stood there asking to be punched over and over again.

The Sentry has a ton of powers he could have used at his disposal like flight, speed, TK, teleportation, etc,,but yet he didn't use them. Why? He had his own agenda and I cant believe you refuse to admit that. I realize your favorite character might not be seen as all that, but come on man. If the Sentry was actually trying to win and was getting beat that bad, don't you think the Void would have reared his ugly face at some point? Everybody knows what Pak was trying to do, but he did a miserable job with this arc.

Okay please explain why it was Sentry's "agenda" to job like a chump to Hulk? How does that help him in..any way?

Originally posted by Surtur
They could of sent the Hulk into a black hole or the core of a star. He wouldn't of been able to come back without outside assistance if they did that.

Probably want to read what Strange said.

Originally posted by carver9
Xavier tried mind attacking Hulk to the point that it nearly took out all of the team with the backlash. Anything higher than that probably would've killed them. He couldn't even handle the strain of entering Hulk mind.

It was explained why no one attempted bfring the Hulk.

That's the point he's trying to make. It was nonsense that Xavier alone couldn't put down hulk let alone with all that telepathic back up plus cerebro. It was idiotic

But Hulk was the maddest he has ever been at that point. Aaaaaarggghhh..

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Sentry just once more was clearly referring to him being able to hit the Hulk again at full power, something he's not able to ever do.

Ummm, the Sentry was saying this as he was getting punched over and over again. How in the world do you interpret that any differently?

Sentry's not really letting Hulk do anything. He's getting punched in the face because Hulk's that strong. At the same time he's bombarding Hulk with his energy and fighting back. Here's the entire scene instead of random snippets.

So the Sentry was powerless to raise his arm in an attempt to block a punch, or even just move out of the way during the scene where he's just standing there talking while the Hulk is wailing on him? Lol, ok. It shouldn't be hard to see. You posted the scans after all.

It's true he's being weird and he could have fought more strategically but that's because he's batshit crazy and is rocking a danger boner. And in terms of comic logic, he did fight very strategically.

Keeping in the air and bombarding Hulk from a distance with energy? That's as smart as comic book fighters go unless they're Batman tbh.

Your right. The Sentry being frozen and not being able to move while the Hulk seemingly grabs a hold of pure energy and rides it up to pound on the Sentry is a usual comic book fight. I forgot how many times I've seen that.

Sentry was weakened? That's the opposite of the writer's intentions in this fight. He's specified how Sentry was finally cutting loose with all his power both in the comic and in interviews.

The writer did a horrible job of conveying his idea to paper. As bad as the Sentry fight was, the Zom Strange showing was worse, but at least it was somewhat understandable if not believable.

The idea that Sentry was weakened not only goes against common sense based on the context of the fight but pretty much ignores everything we know about Pak being a Hulk fanboy.

Well he did keep the Void in check, so he must have been concentrating on that aspect somewhere along the fight. Pak's poor understanding of the Sentry is what really killed the story.

Now while it's true Sentry has displayed greater power to varying degrees with the Void and such in the future, that's not really changing the context of this scene at the time.

Like I said, Pak failed to deliver here. We all know what his intentions were, but he wrote the story like he really had no idea what was going on. If there is this much debate about it, I would say he failed.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
That's the point he's trying to make. It was nonsense that Xavier alone couldn't put down hulk let alone with all that telepathic back up plus cerebro. It was idiotic

A weaker Xavier was able to subdue Dark Phoenix on his own.

I stand firm that Xavier only read Hulk's mind, which he succeeded in.

He did not try and offensive telepathy like a psybolt

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Psychic attacks were useless.

Battle field removal is what got them into trouble in the first place. Hulk would always come back, just angrier and stronger then last time.

There are levels of psychic resistance though, and that much psychic firepowershould have done the trick.

That was B.S by Pak...there's no way to come back if youre floating in a void of nothing.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Hell, they had Cerebra, that's times 11.

A weaker Xavier was able to subdue Dark Phoenix on his own.

I stand firm that Xavier only read Hulk's mind, which he succeeded in.

He did not try and offensive telepathy like a psybolt

Especially given Charles history and what he's capable of when pissed. I mean look at the power level of the characters he put to sleep during avx and he wasn't even there

Originally posted by Surtur
Okay please explain why it was Sentry's "agenda" to job like a chump to Hulk? How does that help him in..any way?

Like I said before, the Sentry has always been afraid to release his power, and when he saw that the Hulk could take it, he egged him on so that he would continue to fight so that he could finish what he's never been able to do before. Like an addict, Sentry gave him everything he had. He thanked Bruce at the end of the fight like a high school boy would thank his girlfriend after receiving a hand job in the front seat of a car. Its right there on panel.

Hulk will win due to giant wankfest even though BM should absolutely mop the floor with him due to the only disadvantage he has is strength. And considering his ability to fly and multiplying velocity, increasing said strikes, and a plethora of other powers should secure the win for any superman clone 10/10 against the Hulk, Juggs etc. That being said.....

Hulk one shots BM through time and space.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
That's the point he's trying to make. It was nonsense that Xavier alone couldn't put down hulk let alone with all that telepathic back up plus cerebro. It was idiotic

Or Hulk was just that pissed off. The madder he is, the harder it is to control him let alone get in his head. Hell, Charles even mentions this along with Strange. It was painful entering Hulks head and that's just entering it. Anything else, we seen the results.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Especially given Charles history and what he's capable of when pissed. I mean look at the power level of the characters he put to sleep during avx and he wasn't even there

Lol...Charles using that probably would've killed everyone on the planet before it dropped the Hulk. You're still not getting it.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Unfortunately he could and probably would by virtue of him being the strongest one there is under Pak.

Lol...didn't Pak during the Hulk's write Red She Hulk punching her way back through dimensions/reality ending with Hulk/Banner saying porting her to another reality wouldn't work/stop her?

All the people in this thread should read Enzeru's second last contribution to the respect thread.

Hilarity ensues.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...didn't Pak during the Hulk's write Red She Hulk punching her way back through dimensions/reality ending with Hulk/Banner saying porting her to another reality wouldn't work/stop her?

Originally posted by tkitna
So although the interpretation isn't consistent, its fine because you want to believe that was the best the Sentry had to offer. I understand now.

Its the constant release of energy that was having no effect. We all know that. Instead of physically trying to fight (or at least an attempt to dodge or even act like your trying to fight), he was doing nothing more then antagonizing the Hulk so that he could continue with the energy release. That was what he wanted and that's what he did. Not the best strategy I would think.

Who said this version of the Hulk was stronger then the Sentry physically? Just because the Hulk says he's the strongest one there is, are we supposed to take that at face value? I would say that its hard to prove when you have one person trying to actually lose the fight.

I see no indication of the Sentry being dazed. Does anybody else?

Yeah, he saw an opportunity to release all of the maddening energy he had and he took it. I'm sure he probably thought it would kill the Hulk, but he didn't really care. It was all about himself during that fight. If it wasn't, he wouldn't have stood there asking to be punched over and over again.

The Sentry has a ton of powers he could have used at his disposal like flight, speed, TK, teleportation, etc,,but yet he didn't use them. Why? He had his own agenda and I cant believe you refuse to admit that. I realize your favorite character might not be seen as all that, but come on man. If the Sentry was actually trying to win and was getting beat that bad, don't you think the Void would have reared his ugly face at some point? Everybody knows what Pak was trying to do, but he did a miserable job with this arc.

This has nothing to do with interpretation. You are basing parts of your argument off of collateral damage. Looking at Hulk fts overall like you are doing, Sentry shouldn't be able to even break skin against him. That's IF we are clinging to high showings.

But Sentry is obviously trying to stop his punch. Not with brute strength but he is trying to stop him. Lol and the reason I think Hulk was physically above Sentry is, during the time Hulk allowed Sentry to punch and ram him, his body was still undented but one punch from Hulk ruined Sentry.

So he tanked Hulk punch? The punch that ripped his face up.

I want you to show me one fight where Sentry used all of those abilities in. Just one. He fought Genis, Terrax, Blue Marvel, the Collective, Herc 95% of his fights the same way. You THINKING he should go around fighting like a DBZ character doesn't help your argument here since his fighting pattern is consistent. That's like me saying Blue Marvel and Genis held back against Sentry since they didn't use a fraction of their power.