Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
[B]A. In other words, yes the realm was magicaliBut i agree, the opposite claim can be made.B. They. So you agree a shared feat. And a direct hit of a nuke won't be as devastating as if it explodes before it hits the ground. So no i think it was a nice hh feat like the one from terrax or brb.
C. They amplified betty and prevented things from getting killed. Their influence might be greater than you are ready to give them credit for. But you agree,like with my prior points that they were in effect, good.
D. They were back on earth iirc when fff got stomped after he amped them. So even together,even more amped than ever before, they couldn't destroy earth.
So all in all you agree. Good.
A. Yes.
B. Terrax is on, or at a lower level than the Hulk is right now. This is as you know is a much weaker level than the one that he was on within the Dark Dimension. This is simple stuff, why not use logic, and wisdom? We saw Rulk break Terrax like a rag doll, and then we saw the Hulk break Rulk with a T clap, and this happened before Rulk was hit with nerf bat. Just something to reflect on.
C. Some people believe that the wishes amplified Betty's physical person, while i believe that the wishing well removed the cap on which she was able to absorb gamma rays from the Hulk, which made her capable of matching him physically. This is what Rulk did to the Hulk, Thor, Grand Master, etc. Betty had those same abilities. To further cement my stance on the subject, the wishing well did not ever give them powers that they did not already possess. Wendigo, and Bi-Beast were made larger, but this did not change the way that their powers worked, or give them the ability to fly. Betty didn't suddenly gain the ability to fire off heat vision, or walk through walls.
Many people disagree with this, but I believe that they are wrong. Betty was an energy sponge, The wish allowed her to remain on his level due to her ability to absorb energy. red Hulk's tended to overheat if they absorbed too much energy though. This happened when Rulk fought Thor, and the Hulk at the same time.
D. I missed that part, because i thought that they were still in the Dark Dimension at that time. It would explain how FFF got those mini nukes to munch on. Then again other weird things have happened in comics right? Should we begin counting them? I have one. Do you remember just recently when Superman was attacked near his Fortress, and was actually being hurt by a tank? Then we turn around, and he's pushing a ship that dwarfs planets. Making sens of PIS isn't going to happen. Marvel Earth has a plot shield on it, that;s stronger than Superman's. After all Doomsday was able to kill Superman, while Galactus has never been able to kill the Earth. Should I remind you that Galactus in a weakened state was able to omni blast half of a galaxy to ruins? I mean if I'm not mistaken, that blast would have killed every Earth creature alive or capable of dying.
Earth isn't a fodder planet...it will not be destroyed as easily as others. Pages later, Strange tells Hulk he is about to destroy Earth. Hell, a weaker Hulk after his World Breaker scene was shaking Earth while punching some pigs in the stomach and he admitted he was holding back. Stoic, you shouldn't entertain him because people have already tried convincing him of the truth to no avail. Beings from Galactus, the Serpent, Odin on up has fought on Earth without it going boom, I know they will not let Hulk achieve this. This same argument can be used against his characters as well but no one is as gullible to even mention earth being destroyed as if it's a fodder planet. Example of this would be Prime vs Ion and many others.
Yes. Earth isn't going to get destroyed as easily as any other planet which is the reason Galactus can shed Suns and Galaxies when going all out but fail to do so on a planet worth something or a planet that isn't meant to be destroyed. Kinda like this...
3 abstracts fighting on a planet, clearly trying to drop each other and that planet is still intact. Does this take away from all of Galactus fts because he didn't planet bust while fighting for his life? IIRC (not as familiar with Galactus like Galan, Bran, or Masters. Correct me if I'm wrong anyone) Galactus does this during the same storyline...
http://s238.photobucket.com/user/Branlactus/media-full/Raw%20power/thanos_004.jpg.html
Are we suppose to exempt his Galaxy busting because he didn't destroy a planet alongside 2 other Abstracts?
Originally posted by Stoic
Earth has plot armor. The writers would paint themselves into a corner if the destroyed 616 Earth. The Hulk even goes on to say, Even though he did not destroy Earth, does not mean that he couldn't have done so. This is just before he sets his foot down.
No, I get that. My point is the assumption that Earth has some actual, tangible "toughness" that other planets somehow don't have, like Carter is trying to say.
Originally posted by carver9
Yes. Earth isn't going to get destroyed as easily as any other planet which is the reason Galactus can shed Suns and Galaxies when going all out but fail to do so on a planet worth something or a planet that isn't meant to be destroyed. Kinda like this...3 abstracts fighting on a planet, clearly trying to drop each other and that planet is still intact. Does this take away from all of Galactus fts because he didn't planet bust while fighting for his life? IIRC (not as familiar with Galactus like Galan, Bran, or Masters. Correct me if I'm wrong anyone) Galactus does this during the same storyline...
http://s238.photobucket.com/user/Branlactus/media-full/Raw%20power/thanos_004.jpg.html
Are we suppose to exempt his Galaxy busting because he didn't destroy a planet alongside 2 other Abstracts?
You're being ridiculous.
Originally posted by Galan007It's annoying.
facepalm*sighs* is carver back on the "we gauge characters solely by the amount of collateral damage their battles cause" train?
Everything is decided by collateral damage nowadays.
Though Carver is directly going against the notion in this case. Conflicting instances of collateral damage shouldn't be the case of less power at their disposal. Carver is right in this instance. Though how long he stands by that is anyones guess
And not that it matters, but Galactus was about to eat that planet in the instance Carv posted. So he was less than optimal.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
It's annoying.
It should be an added benefit not a sole decider.
Though with Hulk it's pretty funny how he directly stomped Foom into the planet. But that's all it is.Everything is decided by collateral damage nowadays.
Though Carver is directly going against the notion in this case. Conflicting instances of collateral damage shouldn't be the case of less power at their disposal. Carver is right in this instance. Though how long he stands by that is anyones guess
And not that it matters, but Galactus was about to eat that planet in the instance Carv posted. So he was less than optimal.
Wasn't he weakened during the instance he did the Galaxy busting ft?
You mean Surfer's comment during Godhunter?:
I took that to mean Galactus' power-reserves were completely taxed during Annihilation, thus he had to consume planets at a far more rapid rate than normal to rebuild said reserves.
Essentially, his hunger(and subsequently: power) could be briefly sated upon consuming a single world post-Annihilation, but once he had used that world's energies, he had no further reserves to keep him alive/empowered between 'meals'... Which is why he nearly died from starvation during Godhunter.
