Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Since you've decided to jump in the line of fire, you can deal with the following.Stoic asserted that despite the on panel evidence in the fight between The Hulk and Sentry in WORLD WAR HULK, Banner wasn't going all out. The premise for this stance is that subsequent events indicated that he was capable of much more.
Using the standard created by, Stoic, I now ask YOU the following.
Do the depictions of The Sentry after the fight you posted indicate that Robert was really not holding back?
Asking whether or not the Sentry was holding back is actually you ignoring what happened on panel. If he was holding back he wouldn't have said that he was going all out, and that the Hulk was the only one that could take it. You can listen to what people say, or what was actually written on panel. The Hulk actually says on panel that he was holding back the entire time. When does Bob ever make that statement? Why was he KO'd at the end if he was holding back? What you have to do is stop ignoring the facts, and go by what was actually written. This isn't hard stuff.
Originally posted by Stoic
Asking whether or not the Sentry was holding back is actually you ignoring what happened on panel. If he was holding back he wouldn't have said that he was going all out, and that the Hulk was the only one that could take it. You can listen to what people say, or what was actually written on panel. The Hulk actually says on panel that he was holding back the entire time. When does Bob ever make that statement? Why was he KO'd at the end if he was holding back? What you have to do is stop ignoring the facts, and go by what was actually written. This isn't hard stuff.
I don't mean to nitpick but why would it matter if he was holding back and got KO'd? I mean I believe he cut loose not under his own control and everything but I think you could be KO'd even if a character was holding back.
(I may have misunderstood what you said though so apologies if I have)
You'd be silly (not directed at you) to make an argument that he wasn't when it's stated on panel.
Also where did Hulk say he was holding back? I know he was per Amadeus Cho's words about Hulk subconsciously doing so but I don't recall Hulk mentioning it.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
I don't mean to nitpick but why would it matter if he was holding back and got KO'd? I mean I believe he cut loose not under his own control and everything but I think you could be KO'd even if a character was holding back.(I may have misunderstood what you said though so apologies if I have)
You'd be silly (not directed at you) to make an argument that he wasn't when it's stated on panel.
Also where did Hulk say he was holding back? I know he was per Amadeus Cho's words about Hulk subconsciously doing so but I don't recall Hulk mentioning it.
When he was in Vegas it is mentioned. This happens just before he goes on the Dark Dimension adventure. Maybe Carver or someone can provide scans. bob literally says that the Hulk was the only one that could take it. He says how great if felt to actually let go, and asks if this is how it felt, while being in near ecstasy over the physical feelings that he was getting from opening the flood gates of his immense power. This is on panel, and there is no room for interpretation. Bob was not holding back. On the other hand the Hulk held back. This isn't really something that's difficult to see or understand, when he goes and exceeds everything that was done during the WW Hulk arc right at the end of book 5. Not just that, but when he was on Sakaar, he exceeded anything that he had done on Earth upon his return. You were wondering why it would matter if he got KO'd? Well if he was holding back, that would mean that he had a lot more in his tank, and the hits that he took from the Hulk wouldn't have hurt him.
However like I just pointed out, Bob actually states that he wasn't holding back. He even asks the hulk if this was how it felt to finally let go. What does that mean to you? It tells me that without a doubt that he was not holding back.
Originally posted by Stoic
When he was in Vegas it is mentioned. This happens just before he goes on the Dark Dimension adventure. Maybe Carver or someone can provide scans. bob literally says that the Hulk was the only one that could take it. He says how great if felt to actually let go, and asks if this is how it felt, while being in near ecstasy over the physical feelings that he was getting from opening the flood gates of his immense power. This is on panel, and there is no room for interpretation. Bob was not holding back. On the other hand the Hulk held back. This isn't really something that's difficult to see or understand, when he goes and exceeds everything that was done during the WW Hulk arc right at the end of book 5. Not just that, but when he was on Sakaar, he exceeded anything that he had done on Earth upon his return. You were wondering why it would matter if he got KO'd? Well if he was holding back, that would mean that he had a lot more in his tank, and the hits that he took from the Hulk wouldn't have hurt him.However like I just pointed out, Bob actually states that he wasn't holding back. He even asks the hulk if this was how it felt to finally let go. What does that mean to you? It tells me that without a doubt that he was not holding back.
I didn't say he was holding back at all though. Infact I said the opposite.
Thanks for letting me know about what Hulk said and clarifying what you meant about the KO.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
I didn't say he was holding back at all though. Infact I said the opposite.Thanks for letting me know about what Hulk said and clarifying what you meant about the KO.
You didn't but LOB asked the question. He asked if the Sentry was holding back, and I was telling him that he wasn't at that period in time, according to solid on panel evidence.
Originally posted by Stoic
You didn't but LOB asked the question. He asked if the Sentry was holding back, and I was telling him that he wasn't at that period in time, according to solid on panel evidence.
Ah okay my apologies.
I mean we have the panel with Sentry saying is what it feels like to let go. So I think that sets it in stone to be honest.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Ah okay my apologies.I mean we have the panel with Sentry saying is what it feels like to let go. So I think that sets it in stone to be honest.
Yes it does. You don't have to apologize. It just has to be made clear to some people that PIS happens in most of the comics published. With the power that the Hulk was able to tap into at the end of Planet Hulk throughout the WW Hulk arc until the end of the heart of the Monster arc, he could have just landed the Stone ship, and destroyed the planet without a word to anyone. This is plot at work.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
I don't mean to nitpick but why would it matter if he was holding back and got KO'd? I mean I believe he cut loose not under his own control and everything but I think you could be KO'd even if a character was holding back.(I may have misunderstood what you said though so apologies if I have)
You'd be silly (not directed at you) to make an argument that he wasn't when it's stated on panel.
Also where did Hulk say he was holding back? I know he was per Amadeus Cho's words about Hulk subconsciously doing so but I don't recall Hulk mentioning it.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
What do you make of this comment qualifying Sentry's performance?
I am in agreement with the comment, but what do you think about this scan?
Originally posted by psycho gundam
So if he wasn't holding back which he says that he wasn't on panel when he asked if this was how it felt to finally let go, we know for a fact that the Hulk actually held back the entire time. I gave a few examples, and evidence that backs my stance solidly.