The Herc Scale

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celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

Originally posted by carver9
Leo, is this the fight you are talking about? Thor vs Hulk without the hammer.

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Great durability ft for Thor but this beat down was brutal.

Hulk may have had the upper hand towards the end, but the fight never really finished. And all fight long Thor was caring for the safety of others while questioning why they are even fighting. He wanted to end the fight like 4 or 5 times because of the destruction, but keeps getting goaded back in. Wasn't really an out and out beating. Hulk even asks Thor why he can't beat him and why he keeps coming back at one point.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by krisblaze
I see you've been broken in.

Good on you!


Broken in? I've always maintained that view.

krisblaze Senior Member

"Why can't Hulk defeat you? Why? Why? WHY??"

Thor gets right up after being beaten.

"Huk wuz gunna kill Thor guys!!"

Originally posted by abhilegend
Broken in? I've always maintained that view.

I hoep Carver's a more generous master than Quanchi.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Hulk may have had the upper hand towards the end, but the fight never really finished. And all fight long Thor was caring for the safety of others while questioning why they are even fighting. He wanted to end the fight like 4 or 5 times because of the destruction, but keeps getting goaded back in. Wasn't really an out and out beating. Hulk even asks Thor why he can't beat him and why he keeps coming back at one point.

Erik Larsen flat out said, it was to show Hulk was stronger than Thor. He again wrote it in Hulk Annual 2001 where Thor conceded that hulk was stronger. Anyway Thor coming back for another ass beating doesn't mean he wasn't getting his ass kicked and later he admitted that he was being just as brainless as the hulk.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by krisblaze
"Why can't Hulk defeat you? Why? Why? WHY??"

Thor gets right up after being beaten.

"Huk wuz gunna kill Thor guys!!"

I hoep Carver's a more generous master than Quanchi.


facepalm

Seriously?

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hulk and Superman are peers in strength. They would be treated as the strongest guys around even in case of other top tiers.

Problem in DC is they short change the other top tiers in favor of Supes. Even though Hulk is generally regarded as the strongest, there are others in Marvel that muddy those waters from time to time that makes things really close.

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

Originally posted by abhilegend
Erik Larsen flat out said, it was to show Hulk was stronger than Thor. He again wrote it in Hulk Annual 2001 where Thor conceded that hulk was stronger. Anyway Thor coming back for another ass beating doesn't mean he wasn't getting his ass kicked and later he admitted that he was being just as brainless as the hulk.
And so what if he believes Hulk is stronger? Strength is not the only thing involved in a fight. It would be pretty dumb to make that as the all encompassing factor.
Sure you can assume all you want, but the fight never finished since Hulk ended up hopping away.

Yes brainless in continuing the fight and helping to cause damage.

carver9 Senior Member
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Hulk may have had the upper hand towards the end, but the fight never really finished. And all fight long Thor was caring for the safety of others while questioning why they are even fighting. He wanted to end the fight like 4 or 5 times because of the destruction, but keeps getting goaded back in. Wasn't really an out and out beating. Hulk even asks Thor why he can't beat him and why he keeps coming back at one point.

Looked lopsided to me. Thor punches didn't do a thing to Hulk. Didn't even slow him down but it does show Thor have some high end durability though. Extremely high end. With the hammer though, Thor was working Hulk in that story. Can post it if anyone wants to see it but Hulk was feeling Mjlonir.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Problem in DC is they short change the other top tiers in favor of Supes. Even though Hulk is generally regarded as the strongest, there are others in Marvel that muddy those waters from time to time that makes things really close.

Seriously? Have you read any hulk story from last 10 years when he got a challenge in strength category? Marvel has been hyping hulk for the expense of every other character in strength.

In DC you will rarely find a clear cut example of previous peers of Superman shat upon like what happened to Thor or Namor or Thing. Captain Marvel will always be a peer to him, Orion and Wonder Woman can always give him a good fight etc. Not in case of the hulk though.

Magnon Senior Member

Re: The Herc Scale

Superman - 100000
Wonder Woman - 80000
Mangog - 50
Thor - 10
Sentry - 15
Martian Manhunter - 80000
Majestic - 100000
Dumb Drax - 12
Black Adam - 80000
Aquaman - 10

Different universes, different power levels.

krisblaze Senior Member

Can anybody think of any recent direct-strength comparisons in Marvel?

Not talking about the Hulk cheap-shotting someone or Thor using mjolnir or whatever.

When's the last time Marvel had a clear cut strength comparison between any of the characters mentioned in this thread?

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
And so what if he believes Hulk is stronger? Strength is not the only thing involved in a fight. It would be pretty dumb to make that as the all encompassing factor.
Sure you can assume all you want, but the fight never finished since Hulk ended up hopping away.

Yes brainless in continuing the fight and helping to cause damage.

Didn't the recent writer of Thor girl say that Hulk is stronger than Thor in an interview?

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
And so what if he believes Hulk is stronger? Strength is not the only thing involved in a fight. It would be pretty dumb to make that as the all encompassing factor.
Sure you can assume all you want, but the fight never finished since Hulk ended up hopping away.

Yes brainless in continuing the fight and helping to cause damage.


Who said anything about a fight? It's about strength in this thread.

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

Originally posted by carver9
Looked lopsided to me. Thor punches didn't do a thing to Hulk. Didn't even slow him down but it does show Thor have some high end durability though. Extremely high end. With the hammer though, Thor was working Hulk in that story. Can post it if anyone wants to see it but Hulk was feeling Mjlonir.

Ok.. I'll be as clear as I can.
Was Thor looking out for the safety of others throughout the fight? Yes he did lose himself at times, but one would be blind to think the setting was not in favor of the Hulk. Heck there were multiple times Hulk got the drop on him either by Thor looking out for the safety of innocents, or him flat out caring for Hulk's own safety. I can count more than one instance that Hulk used that to his advantage.

leonidas MWHAHAHAHA!

Re: The Herc Scale

01. Superman (Nu52)-->11
02. Wonder Woman (Nu52)-->9.5
03. Mangog (Current)-->??
04. Thor (Worthy)-->10
05. Sentry (Pre Siege)--11
06. Martian Manhunter (Nu52)-->9
07. Majestic (Image/Wildstorm era)-->10
08. Drax (Mentally Challenged)-->10
09. Black Adam (Pre Nu52)-->9.5
10. Aquaman (Nu52)-->8

since i seem to be in here anyway...

lol

carver9 Senior Member
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Ok.. I'll be as clear as I can.
Was Thor looking out for the safety of others throughout the fight? Yes he did lose himself at times, but one would be blind to think the setting was not in favor of the Hulk. Heck there were multiple times Hulk got the drop on him either by Thor looking out for the safety of innocents, or him flat out caring for Hulk's own safety. I can count more than one instance that Hulk used that to his advantage.

One time was with the bus when Hulk threw him. Thor twisted out of the way. Don't know what that have to do with his performance since he wasn't fighting during that moment. He moved out of the way from a bus to help innocence people and jumped right back into the fight. Second time was during the train but he was still fighting. Don't see anything there either. Thor then punch him into the fire. Hulk walks out of the fire charging Thor and hammers him ending with Thor saying "is there any limit to the east strength". Thor jumps up and charge him and gets pummeled. I don't see anything in that fight that went against Thor performance.

KuRuPT Thanosi Senior Member

Originally posted by krisblaze
Can anybody think of any recent direct-strength comparisons in Marvel?

Not talking about the Hulk cheap-shotting someone or Thor using mjolnir or whatever.

When's the last time Marvel had a clear cut strength comparison between any of the characters mentioned in this thread?

How about Thanos overpowering Hulk and Thing at the same thing and mocking their strength? Ohhh wait he's not in this thread.. OPPS lol

carver9 Senior Member
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
How about Thanos overpowering Hulk and Thing at the same thing and mocking their strength? Ohhh wait he's not in this thread.. OPPS lol

Really? Do I need to bump a thread?

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

Originally posted by abhilegend
Seriously? Have you read any hulk story from last 10 years when he got a challenge in strength category? Marvel has been hyping hulk for the expense of every other character in strength.

In DC you will rarely find a clear cut example of previous peers of Superman shat upon like what happened to Thor or Namor or Thing. Captain Marvel will always be a peer to him, Orion and Wonder Woman can always give him a good fight etc. Not in case of the hulk though.


Don't be narrow minded. You can't have everyone giving Hulk direct strength comparisons. That's dumb and can't always be fit in a story. Marvel often allows their top tiers to perform incredible feats of strength other than Hulk. In the case of DC, they turn to Superman more often than not.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Who said anything about a fight? It's about strength in this thread.

You replied about the fight and made it seem that strength as the only deciding factor.

leonidas MWHAHAHAHA!
Originally posted by carver9
One time was with the bus when Hulk threw him. Thor twisted out of the way. Don't know what that have to do with his performance since he wasn't fighting during that moment. He moved out of the way from a bus to help innocence people and jumped right back into the fight. Second time was during the train but he was still fighting. Don't see anything there either. Thor then punch him into the fire. Hulk walks out of the fire charging Thor and hammers him ending with Thor saying "is there any limit to the east strength". Thor jumps up and charge him and gets pummeled. I don't see anything in that fight that went against Thor performance.

i...actually agree with you. 😕

even when thor saw the old man in the building, what does he do?? collapses the building! 😂

twice he utterly lost his sh!t in that fight. the difference to me is pretty simple and pretty clear--thor was on the ground pulling himself toward his hammer at the end. thor got in some decent shots btu never at any time was hulk in any jeopardy in that fight. had thor tossed the hammer away again he was going to get smashed up imo.

it remainds me of odin/thanos in a way, or tyrant/thanos. imo the winner of that fight was never in doubt, and had it continued, it would have ended VERY badly for thor....

bt the fight has ALWAYS been controversial, and apparently continues to be. 😂