The Herc Scale

Leo.

How is the Hulk going to do anything if he's not angry?

Edit: Let me add on some stuff for clearness.

The Hulk was clearly shown stronger than Thor nearing the end of that fight.

But you refuse to acknowledge these things;

Hulk used the woman to get in free shots, Thor tried to stop the fight several times and most importantly, by the end of the fight The Hulk is no longer angry. He screams that he can't keep Thor down and when Thor wants to continue he jumps away.

You keep talking about how Thor's going to get this and that.

The Hulk can't do phuck-all without anger and he already gave it his best shot. He couldn't keep Thor down.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Can anybody think of any recent direct-strength comparisons in Marvel?

Not talking about the Hulk cheap-shotting someone or Thor using mjolnir or whatever.

When's the last time Marvel had a clear cut strength comparison between any of the characters mentioned in this thread?

Hulk was explicitly stated to be stronger in direct comparison with either Thor or Hercules in:

- Incredible Hulk #109 (October 2007) - Hercules

- Raging Thunder (one-shot, August 2008) - Thor

- Mighty Avengers #22 (April 2009) - Herc

- Incredible Hulks #620 (February 2011) - Thor

- Incredible Hulks #627 (April 2011) - Herc

That list doesn't include stuff like Hulk/Herc: When Titans Collide (November 2008), Let The Battle Begin (mid-2010), or Avengers vs Atlas #3 (October 2010), in which Hulk looked decisively stronger than Herc or Thor without it being explicitly stated as such.

Cheers.

Originally posted by LGU
Hulk was explicitly stated to be stronger in direct comparison with either Thor or Hercules in:

- Incredible Hulk #109 (October 2007) - Hercules

- Raging Thunder (one-shot, August 2008) - Thor

- Mighty Avengers #22 (April 2009) - Herc

- Incredible Hulks #620 (February 2011) - Thor

- Incredible Hulks #627 (April 2011) - Herc

That list doesn't include stuff like Hulk/Herc: When Titans Collide (November 2008), Let The Battle Begin (mid-2010), or Avengers vs Atlas #3 (October 2010), in which Hulk looked decisively stronger than Herc or Thor without it being explicitly stated as such.

Cheers.

I didn't see Thor in Incredible Hulks or Raging Thunder.

Please elaborate.

I'm talking about a direct comparison.

Not Hulk jumping on Thor after Thor thinks he's won the fight or some yahoo scientist claiming that Hulk's strength is the powerfullest of the powerful.

😂

Originally posted by LGU
Hulk was explicitly stated to be stronger in direct comparison with either Thor or Hercules in:

- Incredible Hulk #109 (October 2007) - Hercules

- Raging Thunder (one-shot, August 2008) - Thor

- Mighty Avengers #22 (April 2009) - Herc

- Incredible Hulks #620 (February 2011) - Thor

- Incredible Hulks #627 (April 2011) - Herc

That list doesn't include stuff like Hulk/Herc: When Titans Collide (November 2008), Let The Battle Begin (mid-2010), or Avengers vs Atlas #3 (October 2010), in which Hulk looked decisively stronger than Herc or Thor without it being explicitly stated as such.

Cheers.

In Incredible Hulks, are you talking about the time when an amped Thor and an amped Spiderman were fighting and it was mentioned that Hulk was stronger than Thor?

Originally posted by krisblaze
I didn't see Thor in Incredible Hulks or Raging Thunder.

Please elaborate.

I'm talking about a direct comparison.

Not Hulk jumping on Thor after Thor thinks he's won the fight or some yahoo scientist claiming that Hulk's strength is the powerfullest of the powerful.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Probably referring to Korg (who has fought both Hulk and Thor) stating Hulk hits the harder of the two.

Yeah, I know.

I'm asking if there's been any direct comparisons where both parties have been involved.

And Thor one-shotted Korg, so how the phuck would Korg know anything?

Also, it doesn't necessarily have to be Thor, Hulk and Herc. I want to know if we've had more like She-Hulk and the Thing lifting together, etc.

Originally posted by leonidas
01. Superman (Nu52)-->11
02. Wonder Woman (Nu52)-->9.5
03. Mangog (Current)-->??
04. Thor (Worthy)-->10
05. Sentry (Pre Siege)--11
06. Martian Manhunter (Nu52)-->9
07. Majestic (Image/Wildstorm era)-->10
08. Drax (Mentally Challenged)-->10
09. Black Adam (Pre Nu52)-->9.5
10. Aquaman (Nu52)-->8

since i seem to be in here anyway...

lol

It's always a sliding scale though, meh.

Ironman states Hulk is the strongest being on the planet.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/118689/4027504-original+sin+-+hulk+vs.+iron+man+003-014.jpg

"You may be even stronger than I or any other living being".

http://s226.photobucket.com/user/HulkFights/media-full/Vs%20Thor/Fight%205/3.jpg.html

Posting those kind of scans isn't necessary, I find it almost odd there's still people who believe Hulk isn't at least the strongest on Earth. That's kinda his thing, to be stronger than everyone else.

Originally posted by krisblaze
I didn't see Thor in Incredible Hulks or Raging Thunder.

Please elaborate.

I'm talking about a direct comparison.

Not Hulk jumping on Thor after Thor thinks he's won the fight or some yahoo scientist claiming that Hulk's strength is the powerfullest of the powerful.

Thor himself didn't directly feature in Raging Thunder or Incredible Hulks #620, no. However, in both comics we had a statement that explicitly directly compared Thor and the Hulk in terms of physical strength, and both explicitly concluded that Hulk was the stronger of the two.

That fits pretty comfortably within the "direct comparison" bracket as I would define it.

Cheers.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Leo.

How is the Hulk going to do anything if he's not angry?

Edit: Let me add on some stuff for clearness.

[b]The Hulk was clearly shown stronger than Thor nearing the end of that fight.

But you refuse to acknowledge these things;

Hulk used the woman to get in free shots, Thor tried to stop the fight several times and most importantly, by the end of the fight The Hulk is no longer angry. He screams that he can't keep Thor down and when Thor wants to continue he jumps away.

You keep talking about how Thor's going to get this and that.

The Hulk can't do phuck-all without anger and he already gave it his best shot. He couldn't keep Thor down. [/B]

awwww......ok, i think the fault is mine here. i didn't understand. ok, you're right as far as the fight ended--hulk was no longer angry, ergo he wouldn't have been able to continue.

my point was wholly different and made because you were referencing the fact that the fight never ended, therefore it wasn't a beating. what WAS my point? 😂

part of my rationale for believing hulk won was BECAUSE he stopped getting angry. he no longer had anything to prove and so left. had he actually WANTED to kill thor ie--if the ending wasn't in doubt to him--he would have CONTINUED to be angry and therefore would have continued the beat down.

does that make more sense?

Originally posted by leonidas
part of my rationale for believing hulk won was BECAUSE he stopped getting angry. he no longer had anything to prove and so left. had he actually WANTED to kill thor ie--if the ending wasn't in doubt to him--he would have CONTINUED to be angry and therefore would have continued the beat down.

does that make more sense?

He was clearly trying his very best to kill/defeat Thor.

Hence why he was screaming "why why why why can't I beat you".

Originally posted by carver9
One time was with the bus when Hulk threw him. Thor twisted out of the way. Don't know what that have to do with his performance since he wasn't fighting during that moment. He moved out of the way from a bus to help innocence people and jumped right back into the fight. Second time was during the train but he was still fighting. Don't see anything there either. Thor then punch him into the fire. Hulk walks out of the fire charging Thor and hammers him ending with Thor saying "is there any limit to the east strength". Thor jumps up and charge him and gets pummeled. I don't see anything in that fight that went against Thor performance.

Originally posted by leonidas
i...actually agree with you. 😕

even when thor saw the old man in the building, what does he do?? collapses the building! 😂

twice he utterly lost his sh!t in that fight. the difference to me is pretty simple and pretty clear--thor was on the ground pulling himself toward his hammer at the end. thor got in some decent shots btu never at any time was hulk in any jeopardy in that fight. had thor tossed the hammer away again he was going to get smashed up imo.

it remainds me of odin/thanos in a way, or tyrant/thanos. imo the winner of that fight was never in doubt, and had it continued, it would have ended VERY badly for thor....

bt the fight has ALWAYS been controversial, and apparently continues to be. 😂

Now I'm not saying Hulk did not come out looking better than Thor. That would be dumb. I'm explaining why it was not the out and out beating that it's being made out to be given the context of the whole fight. Be it Thor's mindset, Hulk's direct or indirect use of innocents, or the fact it actually never truly ended, Thor was at a disadvantage even if however slightly depending on how it's viewed. It may seem like any old excuse, but I didn't write the story. It's right there on panel.

that's fine that you disagree. he was def trying to ko thor, and didn't during the fight. had he continued to be angry he surely would have imo. why did he stop being angry? in his opinion the case was settled and he'd proven his point so no more reason to fight. or be angry. that's pretty much exactly the way i feel. 😂

Originally posted by Stoic
You do realize that there are actually women out there that can bench over 300lbs right? I'd imagine that they could probably twist your shit, if you didn't know how to fight. Then again, imagine if they could lift that much, and still fight? Lol... yep they'd probably twist your shit. Wonder Woman is a power house and she can fight, so I'd imagine that she could twist... well you know what I'm saying right?

Met a woman who used to be a pro Dominatrix. The woman could squat two off me and I'm 100 kg

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Actually one is when Hulk held the female hostage. Thor throws away Mjolnir, then we see Hulk claiming he just tricked him while Hulk chokes then punches him away. You sort of got the train part. Thor seems to momentarily pose because he thinks they may pose a danger to the oncoming train to which Hulk punches him down. Another is Thor fearing for Hulk's life after the explosion. He realizes too late and Hulk emerges from the flames and is once again upon him.

Now I'm not saying Hulk did not come out looking better than Thor. That would be dumb. I'm explaining why it was not the out and out beating that it's being made out to be given the context of the whole fight. Be it Thor's mindset, Hulk's direct or indirect use of innocents, or the fact it actually never truly ended, Thor was at a disadvantage even if however slightly depending on how it's viewed. It may seem like any old excuse, but I didn't write the story. It's right there on panel.

the post i made directly following this one was meant for kris, not you. just wanted to clarify.

basically same message though--i've no issue with you seeing it differently. i think we all agree hulk was superior in that showing. by what degree varies i guess. 👆

Originally posted by leonidas
that's fine that you disagree. he was def trying to ko thor, and didn't during the fight. had he continued to be angry he surely would have imo. why did he stop being angry? in his opinion the case was settled and he'd proven his point so no more reason to fight. or be angry. that's pretty much exactly the way i feel. 😂

If Hulk had continued to be as angry as he was, then sooner or later he would've won.

But I'm disputing that fight as a clean and fair strength comparison. Hulk will eventually get stronger than Thor, that's just how it is, but I don't think that happens as often as people do and I don't think this was necessarily one of these cases.

I think if anything this fight is a testament to Savage Hulk's ruthlessness and Thor's general retardedness.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Can anybody think of any recent direct-strength comparisons in Marvel?

Not talking about the Hulk cheap-shotting someone or Thor using mjolnir or whatever.

When's the last time Marvel had a clear cut strength comparison between any of the characters mentioned in this thread?

Originally posted by leonidas
the post i made directly following this one was meant for kris, not you. just wanted to clarify.

basically same message though--i've no issue with you seeing it differently. i think we all agree hulk was superior in that showing. by what degree varies i guess. 👆

Originally posted by leonidas
01. Superman (Nu52)-->11
02. Wonder Woman (Nu52)-->9.5
03. Mangog (Current)-->??
04. Thor (Worthy)-->10
05. Sentry (Pre Siege)--11
06. Martian Manhunter (Nu52)-->9
07. Majestic (Image/Wildstorm era)-->10
08. Drax (Mentally Challenged)-->10
09. Black Adam (Pre Nu52)-->9.5
10. Aquaman (Nu52)-->8

since i seem to be in here anyway...

lol

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
From Banner's own mouth. This is an example of Marvel putting things out there to muddy the waters. In this case it's a direct comparison.

Banner isn't actually offering an opinion one way or another there - he's just acknowledging the debate surrounding the question, before pointing out that the answer is irrelevant to the topic being discussed (worthiness).

Banner has explicitly stated that Hulk is stronger than Hercules, so we know which side of the debate he is on when it comes down to it.

Cheers.