I notice that you leave out where I said "Basically", IOW indicating that I was paraphrasing your stance and not repeating it verbatim, so you're essentially asking me to provide a quote where you said this exact thing when it was marked from the beginning as not being a verbatim recounting of what you said.
I'm including a link that should prove useful to you.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I notice that you leave out where I said "Basically", IOW indicating that I was paraphrasing your stance and not repeating it verbatim, so you're essentially asking me to provide a quote where you said this exact thing when it was marked from the beginning as not being a verbatim recounting of what you said.I'm including a link that should prove useful to you.
Okay so quote where my basic stance was what you claimed. I never said any such thing like you're claiming or paraphrasing for that matter. Now Quote where my basic argument more or less was what you said.
Originally posted by Silent Master
How about I just cut through all the crap and just quote where you basically say that Jango needs his EU feats to win.
Nope nice moving the goal posts and red herring.. Typical of you. That has nothing to do with the question I asked you... Now, go ahed and quote where my basic argument is what you claimed or you're a liar once again.
Well while all that is happening, back to the thread.
Jango's blasters and missile aren't getting through the shield, meaning Jango would have to wait for Cap to present an opening. His grappling hook would allow him to potentially restrain Cap but considering Obi-Wan managed to use the leverage to bring Jango down, using it on the much more physically superior Cap might not be a great idea. But he does have his jetpack, which would allow him to fight at a distance and safe from Cap's strength(if not his shield). Jango's best bet(in a straight up fight) would indeed be to wait for an opening. He doesn't have much in the way of options.
Rogers fairs a bit better in the physical department and would probably be able to decimate Jango if he got too close. His shield provides a good defense and if he was so inclined he would probably hit Jango with it from a distance(his aim is just that good). But without it the blasters would probably hurt, potentially being fatal if it hits him in the head. Overall he does have more options since he can play defensive until Jango does something that gives him an opening or he can take the chance and throw his shield.
But the thing is Cap has 3 movies to his name, 2 where he is the main guy. Jango has 2-3 action scenes in one movie. And in those scenes, I'm sorry but he tends to fly into close range when his opponent can block his attacks. He would likely get near Cap after a while of blasting away to no avail and that will be the end of it.
Nothing about Jango's 20 minutes or so of screen time suggests he has any remarkable abilities. His scenes are full of him dodging a slow moving Obi-Wan, getting his jetpack busted, somehow doing no harm with his giant rocket, getting kicked off a platform by a man with no great physical strength, shooting some schmuck point blank, getting rag dolled by a space rhino, and utterly failing in every single move in his fight with Mace--who's no prize of physical prowess himself.
Cap would finish him in seconds. Block, block, run, smack, kill.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Nothing about Jango's 20 minutes or so of screen time suggests he has any remarkable abilities. His scenes are full of him dodging a slow moving Obi-Wan,
Well if you ignore Obi-Wan's speed feats as early as TPM, then yeah he's slow
getting his jetpack busted, somehow doing no harm with his giant rocket, getting kicked off a platform by a man with no great physical strength, shooting some schmuck point blank, getting rag dolled by a space rhino
Aside from being able to block strikes from Grievous who shattered a transparisteel window with a spear throw, you know
and utterly failing in every single move in his fight with Mace--who's no prize of physical prowess himself.
>implies losing to Mace Windu is some kind of low end showing
Cap would finish him in seconds. Block, block, run, smack, kill.
Except Cap is nowhere fast enough to blitz, and Jango can fly, so, it'll be far from that simple
Originally posted by AuraAngelJango's blasters and missile aren't getting through the shield, meaning Jango would have to wait for Cap to present an opening.
Well, I hate to bring up low showings in Cap's shield durability, but didn't the WS shoot a rocket at Cap, which even when blocking it with his shield sent Cap flying and knocking him over?
So Jango's missiles could create an opening. In any case Cap has to avoid explosions. His Shield can only do so much if he's caught in a middle of an explosion which Jango's blasters and missiles can cause.
Also don't see Cap's shield being a 100% solution against Jango's Flame thrower.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Well, I hate to bring up low showings in Cap's shield durability, but didn't the WS shoot a rocket at Cap, which even when blocking it with his shield sent Cap flying and knocking him over?So Jango's missiles could create an opening. In any case Cap has to avoid explosions. His Shield can only do so much if he's caught in a middle of an explosion which Jango's blasters and missiles can cause.
Also don't see Cap's shield being a 100% solution against Jango's Flame thrower.
Yeah but the thing is Jango's missile actually kinda sucks. Failed to send Obi-Wan any appreciable distance.
I forgot about the flamethrower. Thought Boba was the only one who used one. Still shouldn't be that bad though.
Originally posted by StealthRangerGiven that the movies themselves ignore that trick, then yeah, I will too.
Well if you ignore Obi-Wan's speed feats as early as TPM, then yeah he's slow
Originally posted by StealthRangerHey, great for Obi-Wan's shoulders. He's no Steve though. Jango couldn't hold his own physically against any Jedi, and he's most certainly not going to hold his own against Cap.
Aside from being able to block strikes from Grievous who shattered a transparisteel window with a spear throw, you know
Originally posted by StealthRanger>Implies Mace has any sort of high end showing.
>implies losing to Mace Windu is some kind of low end showing
Originally posted by StealthRangerHe's fast enough to blitz slow ass Jango. His shield is even faster.
Except Cap is nowhere fast enough to blitz, and Jango can fly, so, it'll be far from that simple
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Given that the movies themselves ignore that trick, then yeah, I will too.
Lack of flashy effects like blurs and afterimages are not valid counterarguments for a character/object's speed, unless acording to you Matrix Agents are only peak human because when they fight we don't see any flashy camera effects even though they casually bullet time and shite, or DBZ characters are not relativistic because they don't even zip across cities in every fight they're in when you've had ****ers like Gotenks fly around the world several times in seconds (which put him at Mach 30,000 or so), or Bleach is the fastest fiction ever because we can't see anything of their characters when they fight, even though they have no quantifiable speed feats above Mach 30
Hey, great for Obi-Wan's shoulders. He's no Steve though. Jango couldn't hold his own physically against any Jedi, and he's most certainly not going to hold his own against Cap.
Never said that Jango would beat Cap physically, though I've seen no physical feats that put Cap above Obi-Wan, for instance
>Implies Mace has any sort of high end showing.
Moved so fast in his duel with Sidious that Anakin couldn't see them move at all, faster than Jedi who can outmaneuver Droid Starfighters and Magna Guards who have reactions nearing lightspeed or some shite (assuming the novelization of ROTS is valid, and I don't see why not)
He's fast enough to blitz slow ass Jango. His shield is even faster.
Based on what speed feats exactly?
But yeah I honestly fail to see why Star Wars gets so much scrutiny in regards to feats and powerscaling, and insist that when they face something, the character with feats must be weak rather than that character who faced them is just that powerful, or if he survived something say, an explosion, the explosion must be weak, rather than accepting that the character could just be that ****ing durable
Unlike most other series, people on a certain tier or above get scaled to one or two super feats that happen only a few times throughout the series and have things like surviving big explosions assumed to be positive feats for them
Originally posted by AuraAngel
Yeah but the thing is Jango's missile actually kinda sucks. Failed to send Obi-Wan any appreciable distance.I forgot about the flamethrower. Thought Boba was the only one who used one. Still shouldn't be that bad though.
It sent him flying as far as a turbo laser shot and those things can vaporize asteroids...
No it was Jango. He used it against Windu.
Originally posted by StealthRangerI just realized what the problem is: I'm arguing based on the premise that the Prequels have footage, scale, or internal continuity that makes any semblance of sense. I... I'm so sorry, I honestly don't know what came over me.
Lack of flashy effects like blurs and afterimages are not valid counterarguments for a character/object's speed, unless acording to you Matrix Agents are only peak human because when they fight we don't see any flashy camera effects even though they casually bullet time and shite, or DBZ characters are not relativistic because they don't even zip across cities in every fight they're in when you've had ****ers like Gotenks fly around the world several times in seconds (which put him at Mach 30,000 or so), or Bleach is the fastest fiction ever because we can't see anything of their characters when they fight, even though they have no quantifiable speed feats above Mach 30Never said that Jango would beat Cap physically, though I've seen no physical feats that put Cap above Obi-Wan, for instance
Moved so fast in his duel with Sidious that Anakin couldn't see them move at all, faster than Jedi who can outmaneuver Droid Starfighters and Magna Guards who have reactions nearing lightspeed or some shite (assuming the novelization of ROTS is valid, and I don't see why not)
Based on what speed feats exactly?
Jango wins. He's like the Superman of Star Wars. He'll win because he needs to win, unless it's against a slow-moving old black man. Then he'll die.
Originally posted by ares834
It sent him flying as far as a turbo laser shot and those things can vaporize asteroids...No it was Jango. He used it against Windu.
Still not as far as Winter Soldier's missile. If Jango's could not send Obi-Wan 20ft, it really won't do much to Cap.
Huh, was that when Windu held his lightsaber to Dooku at the very beginning? If so then Jango really never uses it very much. In any event Cap has dealt with worse heat before so it is more of less a none factor.