Originally posted by DarkSaint85
If anything, Johnny is known to overhype his Nova blast:http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/7/78977/3756550-cap+blocks+nova+blast.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/7/78977/3756551-cap+blocks+nova+blast2.jpg
Spoiler alert: Johnny was wrong, Cap wasn't too close, and he didn't die. You can interpret it as Cap's plot armour, but it shows, once again (and this isn't isolated) that what Johnny claims and what actually happens isn't always the same thing.
Bear in mind: I am NOT claiming that Cap has no plot armour, nor am I using collateral damage as a guide. I am claiming that Johnny, when going all out, has a very high opinion of what he can or cannot do. He knows the amount of effort he can utilise, but he makes very bold claims as to the effects, which are unproven. Hence, hyperbole.
In your scan you posted, his heat burned through Ultron adamantium body and damaged him internally. That's better than harming Cap.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol. Please re-read:http://media.animevice.com/uploads/3/36037/746281-absorptionnovablastks3.jpg
'That was my BEST shot' - Human Torch. If not going all out - what is his 'best'???
Then, re-read:
http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/fantastic_four_249-250.shtml'He took it! My FULL Nova Blast! Enough to raze the whole city block if [b]I'd let it loose
.I would say you have no idea about the comic I am talking about, but even when the comic is in front of you, it seems that you have no idea. I am NOT talking about collateral damage. I am talking about the characters themselves, a notable braggart, Johnny Storm, who boasts and is a kid prone to exaggeration - in his own words, saying that if he let it loose, it would have razed a whole city block. Which is small fry, and not that impressive compared to the JLA.
Then, I showed the well known hotheaded Johnny, who, don't forget, in character, boasts - I show him with his 'best shot', being absorbed and one-upped by Iron Man. Does this mean Iron Man can absorb a star's worth of energy, and increase it? OK.
I THEN had a narration, on panel, which says his energy output of the Nova Blast is like a nuke. Woop de do. So that's THREE scans, from different time periods, all showing that when he actually uses it, it's not all that.
I can see you trying to scan dump and drown the thread, though, with characters not in this thread - trying to muddle the issue. Stick to Human Torch showings. [/B]
Not going to scan dump but why even bring up 'city block' if you are not talking about collateral damage? There are plenty of being that can attack at temperatures hotter than the sun but when going all out, they don't level the city they are fighting in. Let me ask this, how hit do you think HT flames are?
Originally posted by carver9
In your scan you posted, his heat burned through Ultron adamantium body and damaged him internally. That's better than harming Cap.
Originally posted by carver9
Not going to scan dump but why even bring up 'city block' if you are not talking about collateral damage? There are plenty of being that can attack at temperatures hotter than the sun but when going all out, they don't level the city they are fighting in. Let me ask this, how hit do you think HT flames are?
Add on TOP of that, the later scan - he gives it his best shot at IM, who tanks it, and redirects it - with interest - back at him.
On TOP of that, there is the narration saying it is the level of a nuke.
So three pieces of evidence, all supporting each other.
We also know that high herald level characters can tank it. Terrax, and a weakened Gladiator who wasn't at full power (so less than high herald).
Superman/WW/Hal are all high heralds. Flash, at his speeds, is HH in speed (i.e. he can run away). Arguably, so could Cyborg, with his teleportation. So that leaves Aquaman as the only debatable member of the JLA. Is that what you are wanting to argue against? That Aquaman dies?
The Iron Man fight is interesting. HT obviously isn't trying to kill IM and he specifically chooses a strategy that he thinks won't kill the man but should melt the armor. So he is attacking with a "focused blast of nova intensity flame". So 1) it isn't an all out omniblast of the kind that would have put the "nova intensity flame" heat load across the entire suit surface all at once, and 2) there's no indication that the blast was anywhere his maximum duration or power output - he is still flamed on and flying after wards but after a full NB he will be flamed out and powerless.
So I could let Johnny off the hook there with "that was my best shot" since I honestly think he meant that was his best shot at winning the fight - unlike the Ultron example, he's limited to non-lethal options here and his powers don't give him much versatility to try anything else. Would the Ultron blast have stopped Stark? Don't know, but I'm saying Johnny knew he didn't have that option here and his best shot was what he tried.
As for the JLA? Supes shrugs it off. Flash escapes. WW is severely burned but survives. Aquaman seems likely to die, but these days he probably survives with serious damage. Cyborg, don't know, maybe just his metal is left. GLs auto-shields can definitely block it, I'm just dubious about whether they activate. Batman escapes somehow - he just does.
