ripping vampires apart, Lucian was able to easily catch up to a speeding car and survived being hit by it, catching bolts and punching through concrete walls; they easily over powered all the vampires they came across with the exception of Viktor and the vampires are no slouches themselves, they also leap from great heights with no injury and are strong enough to pick up and throw grown men with ease one handed
so based on the films, Vampires seem to be around Cap level, the Lycans are the next level up from that as they slaughtered the Vampires for the most part and Viktor killed them bare handed like nothing so yeah, I think he's got Caps number here
Vamps = Cap << Lycans <<< Viktor
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Vampires are no way cap level.
Easily faster.
Strength?
Watch this Lycan bust through a concrete wall, then Viktor treats him as if he were nothing.
Not sure who wins, but it ain't no stomp either way.
Originally posted by Placidity
Easily faster.Strength?
Watch this Lycan bust through a concrete wall, then Viktor treats him as if he were nothing.
Not sure who wins, but it ain't no stomp either way.
I would argue cap is faster based on combat "feats". They can fall pretty far and land well but I feel like it's more based on being able to slow their fall somehow (like when Selene jumped and seemed to slow her fall) rather than leg strength. He's certainly more fluid and active when fighting.
That's Raze, top werewolf. Lucien's second in command. Tho the way Viktor owned him shows just how physically strong Viktor is. Being an elder and all. But he wasn't really all that fast. But we're talking normal vampires here. They are no way Cap lvl.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
I would argue cap is faster based on combat "feats". They can fall pretty far and land well but I feel like it's more based on being able to slow their fall somehow (like when Selene jumped and seemed to slow her fall) rather than leg strength. He's certainly more fluid and active when fighting.That's Raze, top werewolf. Lucien's second in command. Tho the way Viktor owned him shows just how physically strong Viktor is. Being an elder and all. But he wasn't really all that fast. But we're talking normal vampires here. They are no way Cap lvl.
Well, this topic is about Viktor.
Slowing down their fall is just due to bad cinematography. The actor jumps down with a bungee cord that stretches out most when they almost hit the ground, hence the slowed descent.
You're right, Viktor didn't display any good speed (that I can remember). But if we can infer he is faster than lesser vampires, then Selene (pre-amp) has some speed feats that put her above Cap.
Selene's speed feat
Originally posted by Placidity
Well, this topic is about Viktor.Slowing down their fall is just due to bad cinematography. The actor jumps down with a bungee cord that stretches out most when they almost hit the ground, hence the slowed descent.
You're right, Viktor didn't display any good speed (that I can remember). But if we can infer he is faster than lesser vampires, then Selene (pre-amp) has some speed feats that put her above Cap.
My reply was to the vamps=cap comment tho. Normal vamps do not have strength "feats" that put them at Cap level. Named ones, sure. But normal ones? No.
I don't think it correct to infer speed "feats" on character. We base what they can do on what they show. And Selene has always been one of the faster vampires. S'how she's able to survive fights with werewolves and how she was able to blitz Viktor in the end with her sword. Viktor was crazy strong and had ridiculous soak but he was slow.
Strength-wise, I would put Lycans at Chitauri level (able to tear concrete with bare hands). And we know how Cap handles those.
Originally posted by PlacidityMeh, I could do all that.
Selene's speed feat
Originally posted by Nibedicus
I don't think it correct to infer speed "feats" on character. We base what they can do on what they show. And Selene has always been one of the faster vampires. S'how she's able to survive fights with werewolves and how she was able to blitz Viktor in the end with her sword. Viktor was crazy strong and had ridiculous soak but he was slow.
She didn't really blitz him; she was in mid-air, sword in hand by the time he turned to face her.
I think it's perfectly reasonable to infer speed here. Viktor was an Elder and Elders are well-established to be physically superior to the rank-and-file vampire by orders of magnitude.
There's no reason to assume that pre-amp!Selene could compete with Viktor in any realm with the possible exception of sheer skill.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Vampires are no way cap level.
LOL. Viktor was not a normal run-of-the-mill vampire. He was a friggin' elder. Only Markus was superior to him in the vampire clan. I honestly don't see how Captain America can possibly hurt an elder like Viktor very much. Viktor was extremely fast and strong too. He snapped a Lycan's neck with his bare hands in the original movie.
I have to give this to Viktor.
Originally posted by Placidity
Well, this topic is about Viktor.Slowing down their fall is just due to bad cinematography. The actor jumps down with a bungee cord that stretches out most when they almost hit the ground, hence the slowed descent.
You're right, Viktor didn't display any good speed (that I can remember). But if we can infer he is faster than lesser vampires, then Selene (pre-amp) has some speed feats that put her above Cap.
He had several speed feats. For one, he fought the hybrid Michael who was extremely fast. At first, he was having problems with keeping up with him but after he adapted to Michael's speed he was winning and almost snapped Michael's neck before Selene saved Michael.
In Rise of the Lycans, Viktor blitzed that poor peasant and snapped his neck. He moved from his chair to the peasant in a fraction of a second. If that's not a speed feat I don't know what is.
Reason there's not a ton of speed feats for Viktor is because he rarely needed to use his speed. The tough opponents he fought had impressive speed of their own that's why it didn't appear that he was using superspeed but he actually was. Besides, like you said, Selene before her amp was way beneath Viktor and we all saw how fast she was.