Originally posted by Bardock42
You are correct that these statistics exist. That doesn't mean that biased sources quote them correctly, and it doesn't mean that the statistics actually show what someone claims they show.
Nah and here it is in black and white, no pun intended.
From fbi database:
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/arrests/
The majority (69.7 percent) of persons arrested in 2007 were white. Whites accounted for 58.9 and 67.9 percent of persons arrested for violent crimes and property crimes, respectively.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Nah and here it is in black and white, no pun intended.
Doesn't show what you claim it shows.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Nah and here it is in black and white, no pun intended.
Blacks have higher crime rates in terms of murder and robbery, but whites have higher stats in every other category of crime, including rape, and higher arrests over all.
Higher black crime rates correlate with higher violent crime rates in groups lower on the socioeconomic ladder, as others have already pointed out. Poor people are more likely to be involved in violent crime, black people are on average poorer than white people, so...
I do think that there's a high degree of complacency in America toward racism because we live in a supposedly "post-racial" society.
The problem is the ghettos of the world happen to be where the poor people are. The original ghetto was the the jewish ghettos back in the late 1800's. America and the world will never be over racism until true social equality exists. But I dont accept that every thing that happens between blacks and whites, nor police and blacks is always related to racism. Its called life, crime, sin, and human nature.
To add to Omega's point, I do think general ignorance has a lot to do with what we're talking about. Overt racism isn't a standard in mainstream society.
In most places, blacks/asians/whites/wtfever totally get on with their lives together without incident. I think the fact that many white people don't witness racists incidents, or feel the same pressures of being non-white in a white world, makes some feel like racism isn't there. Additionally, many white people don't hold actively racist views, so it's assumed the "system" can't possibly be different for others.
That, and even more than being post-racial, we love to think we evolved past class discrimination here in America. It makes 90% of people blind to the intersection of class/race. Economic inequality sucks.
Originally posted by Bardock42
There is definitely a class and wealth divide that plays into it. However disregarding a) that the divide was created on the back of racism and b) the harmful effects that racism still has today seems misguided to me.
Originally posted by StyleTime
To add to Omega's point, I do think general ignorance has a lot to do with what we're talking about. Overt racism isn't a standard in mainstream society.In most places, black/asians/whites/wtfever totally get on with their lives together without incident. I think the fact that many white people don't witness racists incidents, or feel the same pressures of being non-white in a white world, makes them feel like racism isn't there. Additionally, many white people don't hold actively racist views, so they assume the "system" can't possibly be any different for others.
That, and even more than being post-racial, we love to think we evolved past class discrimination here in America. It makes 90% of people blind to the intersection of class/race. Economic inequality sucks.
Originally posted by krisblazeAlso, almost all black people I know are racist as PHUCK.
This is true, and it's something that sadly many black families don't really address. While yeah plenty aren't, it's not something that's really worried about as too many black people think any racism from them doesn't count so are either taught to keep being it or think it's fine.
Originally posted by krisblazeLet's be honest, you don't know any black people.
I don't much believe in the current "structural racism" theory. At least I don't believe that it is or would be enough to cause the difference that you see today.I believe that the black community was offset by the racism that lasted up until the 90s, and that said racism kept most of them poor. And they are in turn being kept poor, along with millions of white and hispanic people.
So is their problem racism? It certainly was. But now I think it's more the oppression of the poor.
Also, almost all black people I know are racist as PHUCK.
You will have to be more specific with how you define racism.
Most African Americans grow up in single parent-households of low-income and poorly educated families in an environment that promotes violence, theft and reckless behavior and relegates subsidence to white authority.
Meaning that most of them will do poorly in school and end up as criminals, effectively keeping them segregated.
I just want to put this into perspective here, because the question of whether there is a broad cultural issue with blacks in America is at least one that can be debated, so long as it is framed properly. So I'll address this question to TI:
If the big problem for blacks in the US is not white racism, and presupposing (as the thread title does) that a definitive problem (or problems) exist, what do you contend the actual problem is?