Originally posted by Time Immemorial
So it's others fault of the past that determines their future? Raping white women?
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
So it's white people fault that blacks rape white women?
It's comments like this that make people believe you're a racist. Just an FYI.
But if you look up statistics, white men commit the most rapes in America and rape victims(most often females) are more likely to be raped by a person of their own color/ethnicity.
Originally posted by Robtard
It's comments like this that make people believe you're a racist. But if you look up statistics, white men commit the most rapes in America and rape victims(most often females) are more likely to be raped by a person of their own color/ethnicity.
That wasn't a racist comment, yes white men commit more rapes because the white population is higher. My point is that the crime rates are disproportionally higher in that ethnic group.
If we took away skin color then it would all look the same yes? But if you are looking from ethnicity why is there higher crime in black communities. And where are the jobs that are supposed to be given to help reduce the crime?
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
That wasn't a racist comment, yes white men commit more rapes because the white population is higher. My point is that the crime rates are disproportionally higher in that ethnic group.If we took away skin color then it would all look the same yes? But if you are looking from ethnicity why is there higher crime in black communities. And where are the jobs that are supposed to be given to help reduce the crime?
When you try to make your point specifically about "black men raping white women" that is indeed a racist comment. Anyhow.
As others pointed out, Black people do make up a higher percentage of crime for certain crimes, but there is a strong correlation to that being a poverty issue and not a skin color issue and as much as people like to pretend that institutionalized racism is no more, it still exist.
Originally posted by Robtard
When you try to make your point specifically about "black men raping white women" that is indeed a racist comment. Anyhow.As others pointed out, Black people do make up a higher percentage of crime for certain crimes, but there is a strong correlation to that being a poverty issue and not a skin color issue and as much as people like to pretend that institutionalized racism is no more, it still exist.
Most all crime is related to poverty regardless of race, it just happens to be minorities are the most impoverished.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Most all crime is related to poverty regardless of race, it just happens to be minorities are the most impoverished.
Yes, but the fallacy of your claim is your belief that minorities are not limited via institutionalized discrimination and a socially-reinforced inferiorty complex, but rather laziness and self-entitlement. While there are some with this mindset, for the most part it is false.
BTW, can I get a government source for that 85% stat?
Originally posted by Lestov16
Yes, but the fallacy of your claim is your belief that minorities are not limited via institutionalized discrimination and a socially-reinforced inferiorty complex, but rather laziness and self-entitlement. While there are some with this mindset, for the most part it is false.BTW, can I get a government source for that 85% stat?
We would never agree on wether the government stats are correct. But we might agree on this.
http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2013/jul/17/tweets/look-statistic-blacks-and-murder/
I definitely agree with that article
We saw this statistic repeated multiple times by conservatives on Twitter after the July 13 verdict: "In the 513 days between Trayvon dying, and today’s verdict, 11,106 African-Americans have been murdered by other African-Americans."
The claim contains an element of truth, but it's not fully accurate. We rate this claim Mostly False.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
http://humanevents.com/2013/07/19/black-americas-real-problem-isnt-white-racism/Summarized, seems black and Hispanic problems rest on their shoulders. Whites outnumber blacks, however blacks commit 85% of crime in America.
"After researching the FBI numbers for “Suicide of a Superpower,” this writer concluded: “An analysis of ‘single offender victimization figures’ from the FBI for 2007 finds blacks committed 433,934 crimes against whites, eight times the 55,685 whites committed against blacks. Interracial rape is almost exclusively black on white — with 14,000 assaults on white women by African Americans in 2007. Not one case of a white sexual assault on a black female was found in the FBI study.”
I guess people have been blinded by media bias.
Originally posted by Time ImmemorialI never post in the GDF (mainly because of threads like this). However, I have to point out that these posts are literally just you paraphrasing an old redneck saying: "dem niggers just a bunch of monkeys who just gon' keep on niggering til they die out." Racism that is thinly veiled in pseudo-vaguely-smart-ish-sound-but-not-really language is still racism these days, right? Or has the conservative backlash against people who don't hate people because of their skin colour made "racism" a term that isn't CPC? (CPC stands for conservative political correctness – an oxymoron, I know.)
So it's others fault of the past that determines their future? Raping white women?
Originally posted by Scribble
I never post in the GDF (mainly because of threads like this). However, I have to point out that these posts are literally just you paraphrasing an old redneck saying: "dem nig[b]gers just a bunch of monkeys who just gon' keep on niggering til they die out." Racism that is thinly veiled in pseudo-vaguely-smart-ish-sound-but-not-really language is still racism these days, right? Or has the conservative backlash against people who don't hate people because of their skin colour made "racism" a term that isn't CPC? (CPC stands for conservative political correctness – an oxymoron, I know.) [/B]
I think there is a disconnect btw media conservatives and conservatives irl. The problem is the democrats usually get the majority of the black vote, and that right there pitches black democrats against a predominantly white conservative party.
Originally posted by Lestov16
I definitely agree with that articleWe saw this statistic repeated multiple times by conservatives on Twitter after the July 13 verdict: "In the 513 days between Trayvon dying, and today’s verdict, 11,106 African-Americans have been murdered by other African-Americans."
The claim contains an element of truth, but it's not fully accurate. We rate this claim Mostly False.
So when the media painted George Zimmerman as a white male racist. Do you agree with that?
Looking back at his genealogy. Its full of mixed race.
"Zimmerman, 31, was born on October 5, 1983, in Manassas, Virginia, and is the son of Gladys (née Mesa) Zimmerman and Robert Zimmerman Sr.[2] Zimmerman is the third of four children and his siblings include a brother, Robert Jr., and two sisters, Grace and Dawn.[3][4] Gladys Zimmerman was born in Peru and has some black ancestry, through her Afro-Peruvian maternal grandfather.'
Originally posted by Time ImmemorialYeah, the main difference being that most media conservatives are rich and benefit from their ideology and half of the irl ones just lap up the shit they get fed because it's for "the good the 'Murican peoples," right? Look, I don't know, I live in England so I can't comment with first-hand experience, but your thread post came off as racist. If you were making a larger point point about how the media and politics is skewing the race problem even further, it was lost on me, and not because I'm stupid, but because that's just how you put the point across. If that was your point, though, I can't disagree with it, it just doesn't seem that way to me. It seemed like you were saying "black people are black people's problem."
I think there is a disconnect btw media conservatives and conservatives irl. The problem is the democrats usually get the majority of the black vote, and that right there pitches black democrats against a predominantly white conservative party.
Just so you know, I'm not some ultra-PC liberal or anything. I've mostly given up on politics because the parties have become ridiculous stereotypes of themselves, and also because my points of view switch too much between liberal and conservative.
Originally posted by Scribble
Yeah, the main difference being that most media conservatives are rich and benefit from their ideology and half of the irl ones just lap up the shit they get fed because it's for "the good the 'Murican peoples," right? Look, I don't know, I live in England so I can't comment with first-hand experience, but your thread post came off as racist. If you were making a larger point point about how the media and politics is skewing the race problem even further, it was lost on me, and not because I'm stupid, but because that's just how you put the point across. If that was your point, though, I can't disagree with it, it just doesn't seem that way to me. It seemed like you were saying "black people are black people's problem."Just so you know, I'm not some ultra-PC liberal or anything. I've mostly given up on politics because the parties have become ridiculous stereotypes of themselves, and also because my points of view switch too much between liberal and conservative.
Its not lost on me that most people who talk about race end up being called a racist wether you are black or white, dem or republican. No offense taken.
As for the rich media conservatives, did you know there are just as many liberal media democrats that are just as rich?
Originally posted by Time ImmemorialI know the problem – I have plenty of opinions that could be considered "racist" by certain parties, entirely unfairly. I know there are plenty of wealthy liberals, but a large majority of democrat voters are of the working and lower classes (which is funny, considering what the current Democrat government has done – you think they'd just vote Green or something). But the Republicans definitely represent the elite more than the Democrats.
Its not lost on me that most people who talk about race end up being called a racist wether you are black or white, dem or republican. No offense taken.As for the rich media conservatives, did you know there are just as many liberal media democrats that are just as rich?
Question – what was the specific point you were making in your original post? I just want it summed up in however many words it takes. Sorry if you've already been over it, I'd just like it reiterated.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
So when the media painted George Zimmerman as a white male racist. Do you agree with that?Looking back at his genealogy. Its full of mixed race.
"Zimmerman, 31, was born on October 5, 1983, in Manassas, Virginia, and is the son of Gladys (née Mesa) Zimmerman and Robert Zimmerman Sr.[2] Zimmerman is the third of four children and his siblings include a brother, Robert Jr., and two sisters, Grace and Dawn.[3][4] Gladys Zimmerman was born in Peru and has some black ancestry, through her Afro-Peruvian maternal grandfather.'
WTF does this have to do with crime statistics?
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
http://humanevents.com/2013/07/19/black-americas-real-problem-isnt-white-racism/Summarized, seems black and Hispanic problems rest on their shoulders. Whites outnumber blacks, however blacks commit 85% of crime in America.
"After researching the FBI numbers for “Suicide of a Superpower,” this writer concluded: “An analysis of ‘single offender victimization figures’ from the FBI for 2007 finds blacks committed 433,934 crimes against whites, eight times the 55,685 whites committed against blacks. Interracial rape is almost exclusively black on white — with 14,000 assaults on white women by African Americans in 2007. Not one case of a white sexual assault on a black female was found in the FBI study.”
I guess people have been blinded by media bias.
I wouldn't say that Black American's problem is solely due to White racism, but the government built a society that was meant to keep people separated. Go to a ghetto, and it's population is mostly filled with minorities. I read on another website that economically, Blacks are still going through a recession that ended 2 years ago for White people. I really don't know if the figures were correct, but twice as many Blacks are unemployed compared to Whites. one man said that it seems to have gotten to the point that people don't even bother trying to hide it. He said that he graduated at the top of his class from an ivy league university, and got his BS majoring in computer Sciences. He later found out that he was competing for a position against a White man that only possessed a high school education, and ousted for the position.
A Black female had a similar story. She said that she sent her resume to a company, and they seemed to be hot for her when they found out that she graduated from Princeton with a high GPA. She said that they also seemed to love her on the phone, but then when she showed up at the interview, she says that it was as if everyone's eyes hit the ceiling the moment that they saw her. She did not get the job.
There has been talk that it has become increasingly more difficult for Blacks to find work since Obama has been in power. There are many diverging opinions on this subject. Actually too many for me to really go into it. However if what was stated is the truth, it seems like an uphill battle that can not be won. Sarah Palin, and several other right wing Republicans were mentioned several times though. None of it was positive.
So how does one go about getting an education as an adult, if they don't have a job to support themselves? Oh I believe that it's possible, just unlikely for many people who work just to take public transportation to work. I recall firsthand speaking to a co-worker about just that subject. He told me that he was the working poor. Only given enough hours per week to barely eat, and the company kept him at 33.5 hours consistently so that they could avoid granting him benefits. Deplorable. His hourly wage was the minimum, and he had only gotten 25 cents in raises in the three years that he had been working at the company. Good thing that he wasn't willing to remain a statistic. he recently graduated from a local community college, and is pursuing a BS in the medical field. Most people do not have his strong will to make it that far.
Another subject came up. One man brought up a compelling argument. He said that it would be too easy to weed out minorities before they ever got the chance to show up for an interview. i was just about to skip to the next subject, but then i just had to read what this guys thoughts were on the subject. He says that all a person would need to do to know with 90% certainty that a person was from a minority, was to look at the address on their resume. Since 85-90% of ghettos are populated with minorities, it would be highly probable that a man, or woman that lives in a certain neighborhood in Camden, or Ferguson were in fact from a minority. This can certainly be used to weed out minorities, before they ever come in for an interview. My initial reaction? Paranoia self destroyer. But, he may have a point to some extent. Hmmm right?
Let's move on. Poverty stricken neighborhoods are filled with desperate people. Desperate enough to commit crimes to feed their children, and themselves. This is a case that is not just plaguing the US. it is all over the world, and has been for centuries. I managed a Gamestop several years ago, and i had to fire an employee that was caught stealing several times. he wasn't a bad guy, he simply couldn't afford to feed himself. WTF???? Yes he was working, but after paying the rent, he lacked the means to feed himself, so he would take games that were sold to the store, shrink them out, then sell them back to the store. It didn't take long to figure out who was doing it. Poor guy. Oh, and yes he was Black and now it's even harder for him to get a job, because he has a criminal record. Was he set up at birth? Some in his shoes would say yes.
Walking through Montreal Canada which is where I was raised, none of the sidewalks were broken to the point that it would be safer to risk walking out in traffic, but if you ever are unfortunate enough to visit East Orange, NJ, and walk around in the poorer neighborhoods this is exactly what you will see. I have relatives that live there, and I was also born there. My first thoughts were; what the hell are people paying tolls for, if the roads and sidewalks are in such a terrible state? But, go to Livingston, Short Hills, and other communities that aren't heavily populated with minorities, and the roads and sidewalks are in near mint condition. Coincidence?
I was going to do a Youtube special where I traveled from state to state to see if it really was a coincidence.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
So when the media painted George Zimmerman as a white male racist. Do you agree with that?Looking back at his genealogy. Its full of mixed race.
"Zimmerman, 31, was born on October 5, 1983, in Manassas, Virginia, and is the son of Gladys (née Mesa) Zimmerman and Robert Zimmerman Sr.[2] Zimmerman is the third of four children and his siblings include a brother, Robert Jr., and two sisters, Grace and Dawn.[3][4] Gladys Zimmerman was born in Peru and has some black ancestry, through her Afro-Peruvian maternal grandfather.'
The media never painted him as white. Every news source covering the case made sure to note he was Hispanic. They would have lost a shitload of credibility if they didn't.
Originally posted by Lestov16
The media never painted him as white. Every news source covering the case made sure to note he was Hispanic. They would have lost a shitload of credibility if they didn't.
The media knows what they are doing and it didn't help him having a name like George Michael Zimmerman. When media spills racism rants, they expect and know people will think it's white on black racism. Since you are informed you saw right through it, but I watched a clip back when it was going on where someone was asking people what they thought about the issue and they thought George was white! They didn't have a clue what was really going on. Media prays on stupidity of the general public.