Originally posted by Ms Chelle
Obama smoking marijuana in the past doesn't make him a hypocrite.If he currently partakes in smoking weed, While saying it shouldn't be legalized.. That would be hypocritical.
So past weed smoking was part of his presidential journey, yet now he don't want kids smoking it.
We know Lestov smokes weed, yet he defending Obama. Man this is hilarious.
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Originally posted by Ms Chelle
Obama smoking marijuana in the past doesn't make him a hypocrite.If he currently partakes in smoking weed, While saying it shouldn't be legalized.. That would be hypocritical.
Him saying it should be decriminalized instead of legal makes him a hypocrite. Unless he feels alcohol and cigarettes should also be merely decriminalized. If he isn't ready to say they should, that is hypocrisy, doesn't matter if he never touched a joint in his entire life.
That's not how hypocrisy works though. If you smoke weed and then I bash you for smoking weed and yet I smoke weed? I'm a filthy hypocrite.
If you smoke weed and I bash you for smoking weed, but I myself don't smoke weed, but I also do not bash OTHERS for smoking it..that doesn't suddenly make me not a hypocrite.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Don't be trying to slander me because your argument is failing
Actually my argument succeeded and saying you smoking weed isn't slander. You said you smoke weed many times. However you trying to smoke screen and defend Obama when he basically insulted your choice of life and how he used to live his. I succeeded in proving your bias even though it goes against your choices in life, so you chose to defend him even though it attacking how you chose to live.
If I told you "quas, stop smoking weed and focus on war and climate change" you would say "phuck you" but since Obama is doing it you disregard and try to dodge and weave.
You failed, your bias failed you and your president.
Originally posted by Lestov16
So now we're using real names. This isn't an ad hominem attack at all...And I smoke(d) weed to enhance my mind in the way Carl Sagan did. That being stated, a lot of teens just smoke weed so they can laze around and eventually pass out. I understand his viewpoint.
But see this is the slippery slope we are on. Since, it essentially sounds like you are saying "well if you are going to smoke weed do it for the right reasons".
He doesn't get to dictate to us what the good reasons are for smoking pot and what the bad reasons are. He doesn't decide that, we do.
Originally posted by Lestov16
So now we're using real names. This isn't an ad hominem attack at all...And I smoke(d) weed to enhance my mind in the way Carl Sagan did. That being stated, a lot of teens just smoke weed so they can laze around and eventually pass out. I understand his viewpoint.
I never said you shouldn't smoke weed, but don't give the president a pass because you like him even though he's basically telling you what to do and how you chose to live. You can't have it both ways. Either you agree or you disagree, dodging like Mohammad Ali won't win you the fight. Most weed smokers are pretty adament about their right to smoke and your just giving it a pass cause your man said so.
Originally posted by Surtur
But see this is the slippery slope we are on. Since, it essentially sounds like you are saying "well if you are going to smoke weed do it for the right reasons".He doesn't get to dictate to us what the good reasons are for smoking pot and what the bad reasons are. He doesn't decide that, we do.
I see where you're coming from. Like I said, I understand his viewpoint but as I said IIRC on the first page of this thread, I don't necessarily agree with him here
Here's the quote:
Originally posted by Lestov16
No, I don't necessarily agree with Obama here
IF you don't agree with him why are you trying to counter ever arguements presented? Sounds like you are torn between your favorite past time and favorite president and now in your mind you can't fight both battles so you picked to side with your man vs your freedom.
True convert I applaud you, I would have chosen freedom.
That is if you really don't care and just here to "speak up" and get in the middle.
If I was in this situation I would have just kept my mouth shut and avoided the whole topic but you only proved you care more about someone else ideology then your own.
Originally posted by Lestov16
I see where you're coming from. Like I said, I understand his viewpoint but as I said IIRC on the first page of this thread, I don't necessarily agree with him here
I guess I'm struggling to see how you understand his viewpoint. Or rather, I guess what bugs me is why Obama even made this comment? I've followed the "make weed legal" campaign for a while, and while people can be passionate most of the time I did not get the vibe they view the issue as more important then the issues Obama is talking about. So what makes him assume what he assumed? A guy interviewing you asking you about pot doesn't necessarily mean that a majority of young people feel weed being legal is the most important thing to concentrate on right now.
It's almost as if he was kind of baiting people, because what he said might be technically true, but did it need to be said? The sun will set tonight, and tomorrow the sun will rise again. That is 100% true, but why would I bother telling you this unless I legitimately thought you were unaware of that? Does our president legitimately believe what he said? If he DOES, isn't that kind of disturbing? It's one thing to not listen to people, but to be so out of touch with the country you run? That scares me.
You know what, I will say I'm disappointed in Obama for making this comment. I remember back in '08 when he was campaigning for marijuana reforms and it seems he's just given up or never had the intention to begin with.
My guess is he doesn't want to be known as "The black president who legalized weed", since I guess it would confirm a stereotype or something. Either way, he did drop the ball here.
Originally posted by Lestov16
You know what, I will say I'm disappointed in Obama for making this comment. I remember back in '08 when he was campaigning for marijuana reforms and it seems he's just given up or never had the intention to begin with.My guess is he doesn't want to be known as "The black president who legalized weed", since I guess it would confirm a stereotype or something. Either way, he did drop the ball here.
Ok now we appear to be on the same page.
"As has been well documented, I smoked pot as a kid, and I view it as a bad habit and a vice, not very different from the cigarettes that I smoked as a young person up through a big chunk of my adult life. I don’t think it is more dangerous than alcohol.”
Look at this. When Obama ran for office he said I'm not going to be using Justice Department resources to try to circumvent state laws on this issue,"
Now look what happened in California, all those clinics opened feeling free and liberated from Bush's raids, wound up getting shut down in at the end of his first term.
Read this
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/obamas-war-on-pot-20120216