Odinson -Vs- Wonder Woman

Originally posted by h1a8
You are confusing me. Thor couldn't really deal with Angela speed. That showing actually supports Diana smoking him. Diana has bracers that can block lightning easily. Show me some scans of how Odinson with Jarnbjorn will use lightning where it would be hard for Diana to block. How fast can Thor summon it? A second to Diana is like more than an hour to a human.

In their second encounter he explains as much and even admits he didn't want a fight in the first place. This is how it ended.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Posting scans of Angela beating Thor when he was weakened, surprised by her power level and didn't really want to fight her.....

I've already showed you scans of Mjolnirless Thor summoning lightning.
Also please show me where she's blocked lightning. The times she's had to face it she was pretty much owned.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/4231194-superman-wonder+woman+%282013-%29+013-021.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-yDMGJ4zakJg/UZsZ4cSshfI/AAAAAAAADlc/5LLVjeYs9h4/s1600/JusticeLeague_16_TheGroup-013.jpg

Their third fight was him as Odinson and no Mjolnir. Hmmm... She really overwhelmed him with speed huh? 😂
Like Diana she's fast and uses bladed weapons. She also has mentally controlled ribbons that can grab opponents.

Originally posted by Galan007
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Oh and you still haven't showed me Wondy's best speed feats.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Their third fight was him as Odinson and no Mjolnir. Hmmm... She really overwhelmed him with speed huh? 😂
Like Diana she's fast and uses bladed weapons. She also has mentally controlled ribbons that can grab opponents.

Oh and you still haven't showed me Wondy's best speed feats.

Here she responds to energy attacks.
https://imageshack.us/i/pcXAy5JLj

https://imageshack.us/i/p99ZCmI4j

https://imageshack.us/i/idtKp4xIj

https://imageshack.us/i/f0jBxiYtj

Then she has movement speed to get out of Thor's aim.

She swordfights with Hermes at superspeed.
https://imageshack.us/i/eynNuXijj

Supergirl showing to keep up with flash.
https://imageshack.us/i/p9K4OQqwj

WW lassoing up Supergirl
https://imageshack.us/i/pbN74mzSj

Moves faster than Supergirl has a chance to react.
https://imageshack.us/i/f03ltSCUj

Moving her sword so fast that it heats up.
https://imageshack.us/i/p5Y5BA9fj

Here's a random blocking feat for good measure.

https://imageshack.us/i/idH4Bss7j

How fast is Hermes, Supergirl et al in those fights? Are they using their superspeed? How do we know?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
How fast is Hermes, Supergirl et al in those fights? Are they using their superspeed? How do we know?

Anyway Supergirl complained of WWs speed and that she couldn't react. This shows that WW is faster than her from writer's intentions and that Supergirl was using her super speed and reflexes. And finally, we have Hermes and WW being shown to be fighting in superspeed by multiple arms and images. Thus Hermes was using his main power (which is speed). Just like flash.

Wow...H1 is posting scans. Thumbs up bro.

Originally posted by h1a8
But Thor didn't really do anything in the latter confrontations. He showed no speed nor ability to react to her. Neither did she much except Dodge Thor's attacks.

And an earlier scene he lunges and descends upon her from a far . She parried, but he launched that attack from a good distance. Bottom line is she's not completely outclassing him speedwise like you are trying to portray.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22837203/Angela_-_Asgards_Assassin_005-013.jpg.html

Originally posted by h1a8

Diana not responding to lightning is simply a low showing. She has responded to light speed attacks with no problems. Plus all WW has to do is not stand in one place.

Here she responds to energy attacks.
https://imageshack.us/i/pcXAy5JLj

https://imageshack.us/i/p99ZCmI4j

https://imageshack.us/i/idtKp4xIj

https://imageshack.us/i/f0jBxiYtj

Those scans are nice I guess. It's not like Thor hasn't done the same. Btw your 4th scan does not have beams. Those are energy constructs that look like mini boomerangs from Moon. 😂

Bats away Iron Man's repulsors..
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed22Avengersv303.jpg

Bats away beams from Blastaar.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed15270.jpg

Swings at training room laser beams.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed26Avengersv323.jpg

There are a ton more, but you get the picture.

Originally posted by h1a8

Then she has movement speed to get out of Thor's aim.

She swordfights with Hermes at superspeed.
https://imageshack.us/i/eynNuXijj

Supergirl showing to keep up with flash.
https://imageshack.us/i/p9K4OQqwj

WW lassoing up Supergirl
https://imageshack.us/i/pbN74mzSj

Moves faster than Supergirl has a chance to react.
https://imageshack.us/i/f03ltSCUj

Moving her sword so fast that it heats up.
https://imageshack.us/i/p5Y5BA9fj

Here's a random blocking feat for good measure.

https://imageshack.us/i/idH4Bss7j

And just to add on the Supergirl scans, Diana admitted that they were evenly matched in speed and strength. The only difference was experience... Take that as you will..

And before you go saying Angela isn't that fast...

Blocks beams from Rocket.
http://i.imgur.com/xDqigsH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/leNK3D7.jpg

Easily dodges beams from Rocket at point blank then dodges beams from both him and Tony. She gets blindsided by Quill's element gun later.
http://i.imgur.com/qgkELha.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ddiXEaa.jpg

Moving so fast her movements are virtually unseen even by a surrounding crowd.
http://i.imgur.com/Av74RKa.jpg

Blitzes a group of six. Moving so fast she is unseen until it's too late.
http://i.imgur.com/WuPV536.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YDr82o1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/szYd9zH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jRe76yg.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TExxJNC.jpg

Dodges and parries multiple laser fire from a Badoon ship. Then does her disappearing act even when fully surrounded. The captain can't even finish a one syllable word and she already has him dead to rights.
http://i.imgur.com/BMfUGp7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0KerXgL.jpg

Parry's all the initial blitz from multiple Disir who were moving faster than lightning...faster than thought.
http://i.imgur.com/X4H0shW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TyLQan9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2CBRAuA.jpg

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Most people would just post stupid stuff in the ownage thread and laugh at any replies.

Not abhi. He'll repost it. Argue about it. Blatantly lie about it a couple times. Demand proof. Post "proof". And then usually say it was only a joke when all else fails.

All in an attempt to try and demean a character. Because he got stabbed at the end of an issue.

You know a guy doesn't have ulterior motives when his first reaction to a question is to lie about it. Humorous sequence of events. Talk about jumping the gun. He's still trying to argue about it when his initial issue has been soundly silenced since he needs this.

I just posted this here because I didn't want to post in the ownage thread again about it. Cue everyone else whining when it diverged from buttpain.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Err not sure if you're joking, but he tagged her twice in this scan. Bullrushes her through a wall and also disarms her. 😮
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22837220/Angela_-_Asgards_Assassin_005-016.jpg.html

And an earlier scene he lunges and descends upon her from a far . She parried, but he launched that attack from a good distance. Bottom line is she's not completely outclassing him speedwise like you are trying to portray.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22837203/Angela_-_Asgards_Assassin_005-013.jpg.html

Wait so every time she gets hit with lightning it's a low showing? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds. Plus Thor calls down lightning the same way she was tagged in earlier scans. You expect her to be looking up at the sky most of the time while fighting so she can react to it?

Those scans are nice I guess. It's not like Thor hasn't done the same. Btw your 4th scan does not have beams. Those are energy constructs that look like mini boomerangs from Moon. 😂

Bats away Iron Man's repulsors..
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed22Avengersv303.jpg

Bats away beams from Blastaar.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed15270.jpg

Swings at training room laser beams.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed26Avengersv323.jpg

There are a ton more, but you get the picture.

Hehehe.. Like DarkSaint said, how fast are they going in those scans? You easily accept those, but you question earlier scans like Thor reacting to a speedster like Juvan and Angela. A bit of hypocrisy here don't you think?

And just to add on the Supergirl scans, Diana admitted that they were evenly matched in speed and strength. The only difference was experience... Take that as you will..

And before you go saying Angela isn't that fast...

Blocks beams from Rocket.
http://i.imgur.com/xDqigsH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/leNK3D7.jpg

Easily dodges beams from Rocket at point blank then dodges beams from both him and Tony. She gets blindsided by Quill's element gun later.
http://i.imgur.com/qgkELha.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ddiXEaa.jpg

Moving so fast her movements are virtually unseen even by a surrounding crowd.
http://i.imgur.com/Av74RKa.jpg

Blitzes a group of six. Moving so fast she is unseen until it's too late.
http://i.imgur.com/WuPV536.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YDr82o1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/szYd9zH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jRe76yg.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TExxJNC.jpg

Dodges and parries multiple laser fire from a Badoon ship. Then does her disappearing act even when fully surrounded. The captain can't even finish a one syllable word and she already has him dead to rights.
http://i.imgur.com/BMfUGp7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0KerXgL.jpg

Parry's all the initial blitz from multiple Disir who were moving faster than lightning...faster than thought.
http://i.imgur.com/X4H0shW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TyLQan9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2CBRAuA.jpg

Thor caught her off guard in the first showing. Also those showings aren't speed feats at all for Thor. That's like saying a random foe hitting Superman in the face proves he is at least half as fast. To be a speed feat we need either narration, time and distance, character dialogue, blur or multiple images, or the character moving with the speed of known objects (whose speed is constant like bullets or lasers).

Characters sometimes are written without their speed or reflexes. So another character striking them without any dialogue towards being fast or the showing of after images doesn't prove anything.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor caught her off guard in the first showing. Also those showings aren't speed feats at all for Thor. That's like saying a random foe hitting Superman in the face proves he is at least half as fast. To be a speed feat we need either narration, time and distance, character dialogue, blur or multiple images, or the character moving with the speed of known objects (whose speed is constant like bullets or lasers).

Characters sometimes are written without their speed or reflexes. So another character striking them without any dialogue towards being fast or the showing of after images doesn't prove anything.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Smh...
Off guard? Maybe.. But it doesn't change the fact he came at her from a distance. He was straight in front of her for crying out loud. Next thing you know he's above her while she is in a defensive posture. Come on H1... You gotta come up with something brighter.
And no to your Superman analogy. Random foes do not have a history of feats dealing with supposed speedsters let alone his own speed feats. Faulty logic bruh..
What showings? Of him keeping up with Angela? Did I say they were speed feats? I merely showed proof that even though everyone knows Angela is faster, it's not something Thor is incapable of dealing with.

Originally posted by h1a8
My point is that tagging someone who possesses speed in a comic doesn't prove anything without some indication of speed. It can just be the writer ignoring the character's speed for the sake of the plot. The problem in this fight is that Thor has no defense against the stun hit lasso combo. We don't know how fast he can summon his lightning. From my guess I would say about a second or two. She can try to strike him the instant the bell rings.

Thor is not a speedster, but he ups his game when he has to.

Sure she can strike the instant the bell rings, but keep in mind they start .5 km away. I've already showed you him literally batting away energy blasts.

He can summon lightning instantly. He didn't have a problem tagging Angela with lightning.

You've shown nothing other than made up calcs to justify your statements.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
You've already been shown instances of someone using super speed against Thor and him being able to deal with it. You've also been shown him tagging someone with incredible speed. You choosing to ignore them is your problem.

Thor is not a speedster, but he ups his game when he has to.

Sure she can strike the instant the bell rings, but keep in mind they start .5 km away. I've already showed you him literally batting away energy blasts.

He can summon lightning instantly. He didn't have a problem tagging Angela with lightning.

You've shown nothing other than made up calcs to justify your statements.

I didn't ignore Thor tagging someone with speed. When did I do that? I addressed it many times over. I said that doesn't prove he used speed since writer's often ignore character's speed and reflexes for the sake of the plot. Otherwise, everyone who's ever struck Superman, WW, Surfer, etc is fast as light and can easily strike quicksilver as well in a forum fight. So Tagging a character without any indication of super speed doesn't prove anything. You are basically ignoring my argument by not offering a rebuttal.

Thor can't summon lightning instantly. An instant means before any measured time can elapse. No evidence supports that. From most showings it takes Thor at least a moment (at least a second or two). Diana can cover. 5km in far less than a second. Plus it's impossible for Thor to hit a fast moving object with lightning (look at the quicksilver showing). The moment the lightning is summoned Diana will be in a different place by the time it travels to where she was. She's not going to sit there and not move.

And WW blocking multiple beams of energy contradicts her not being able to respond to lightning (which moves slower).