Frank Millers Batman vs the Silver Surfer...

Originally posted by riv6672
He's got 10 years to make sure SS does what he needs/wants him to.
You arbitrarily saying "he wont" dont make your statements facts.

I concede that with their long history and Bats' knowledge of Supes' weaknesses he had a great advantage in implementing his plan, but a decade of setting up the battle field, the weaponry, the circumstances of the encounter...its like a Sun Sun Tzu wet dream.

Those are my opinions. You can dismiss them, but they're as valid as anything else thats been put out. The poll shows my opinion (for once) isnt the minority either.

Not dismissing your opinion man. But I do wish we could get an actual argument going. Like 1) how do you think batman is going to pull it off? 2) what "feats" does he have to support it?

We can't just assume someone can win "just because" here.

But, due to the nature of prep, no one can present an argument here without first without getting an idea on how Batman can pull off his win as whatever Surfer does will be in reaction to what Batman will prepare.

We need to show what THIS Batman can do with the prep he's given at the very least.

Originally posted by Mindship
Once upon a time, "Batman with prep" was the closest thing KMC ever had to an official tagline.

Surfer tumbles like a girlieman off his board into the dark wings of defeat.

Actually, that's not a tag-line that is exclusive to KMC. I've seen many comic book message boards overusing that phrase long before I ever even heard of KMC.

Originally posted by Surtur
Batman is in no way a prep peer of Doom. Not even close. I don't see him being able to do this.

Indeed, he is not. Doom would school him in that area-of-expertise.

Also, this is Earth-31 Batman. Different "feats"...

Originally posted by Star428
Actually, that's not a tag-line that is exclusive to KMC. I've seen many comic book message boards overusing that phrase long before I ever even heard of KMC.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
To add, while the ambigous "prep" scenario makes me not exactly have a clear idea on whether or not batman wins, the whole "drain the Surfer" scenario might not be feasible anymore.

As current Surfer has resisted being depowered by Galactus himself by simply temporarily "de-silvering" himself. And he did this just as Galactus blasted him at point blank range.

http://i.imgur.com/YXIXh4q.png

Next issue:

http://i.imgur.com/I8WYiUB.png

Even so, Batman won't fall for that trick and he would drain Surfer dry. Appearances won't fool him.

Originally posted by Rezactic
He doesn't have to be, this isn't some high end prep battle to beat some abstract level character, it's 10 years to beat a high end herald level character, 10 years of surveillance, studying the power cosmic, studying Surfer's behavioral patterns.

Hell 1 year or several months would probably be enough, 10 years is overkill

He can study the power cosmic all he wants, it doesn't mean he'd come up with anything worthwhile.

Originally posted by riv6672
Agree to disagree.

There is really no debate here. Unless you have feats for Batman showing him on the level of Doom. Which would be a neat trick, because said feats do not exist.

You're misunderstanding the kind of prep Batman is good at. He's not doing stuff Doom does like inventing time machines and power draining devices and all that. One of these people is a peer of Reed Richards, the other is Batman.

Originally posted by h1a8
Even so, Batman won't fall for that trick and he would drain Surfer dry. Appearances won't fool him.

Sweet! So in which comic was Batman shown creating a power draining device that could effect the likes of Silver Surfer, all on his own?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
What do you have against gays and transgenders? Homophobe!

Nothing, I would never say something against KMCs finest! biscuits

Originally posted by h1a8
That's PIS and unusuable. Surfer still had powers when he desilvered. Otherwise he wouldn't be able to resilver. Galactus can easily sense the power cosmic, yet he didn't and went only by appearances. Basically Galactus was like "Surfer is powerless and dead cause he looks like it. So I'll leave now as my job is done. No bother to actually sense whether he still has power or really isn't dead because seeing is believing."

Even so, Batman won't fall for that trick and he would drain Surfer dry. Appearances won't fool him.

Um no. The point isn't that Galactus was "fooled" by the Surfer. The point is that Galactus tried to depower the Surfer and the Surfer prevented it. The Surfer resisted depowerment from an abstract that is THE authority on the universe on the Power Cosmic.

Based on what Earth-31 Batman "feats"?

Originally posted by Surtur
There is really no debate here. Unless you have feats for Batman showing him on the level of Doom. Which would be a neat trick, because said feats do not exist.

Originally posted by Surtur
He can study the power cosmic all he wants, it doesn't mean he'd come up with anything worthwhile.

Also, doesn't Surfer's cosmic awareness warn him when someone is plotting against him?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Um no. The point isn't that Galactus was "fooled" by the Surfer. The point is that Galactus tried to depower the Surfer and the Surfer prevented it. The Surfer resisted depowerment from an abstract that is THE authority on the universe on the Power Cosmic.

Based on what Earth-31 Batman "feats"?

LOL? WTF! Silver Surfer stomps.

Originally posted by h1a8
There are devices and abilities that can drain Surfer, as Surfer has been drained several times. Batman has never prepped for 10 years for a single character. So we can logically amplify his short prep feats by a decent factor to estimate what he can do in 10 years. Imo 10 years is overkill.

It doesn't matter if devices can drain Surfer. What matters is if Batman can create them. You need more evidence then "10 years is a long time".

When did Batman specifically create this power draining devices you seem to be so sure he can create? If he never has, then what exactly has Batman ever built on his own(with zero outside help) that makes you think he could create these devices?

Here is the thing, how is Batman going to even be able to "study" the power cosmic? It's not like Silver Surfer is going to offer to show up and allow Batman to study him. Him merely knowing that the power cosmic is a thing that powers the Surfer..isn't really going to grant him any significant understanding of the power cosmic.

Originally posted by h1a8
wrong, Surfer didn't prevent anything. He simply fooled Galactus before he drained him completely. Otherwise, why would Galactus think he drained Surfer when he didnt. Galactus can sense the power cosmic far better than Surfer. He can do anything Surfer can do but to a greater extent. As far as Batman, read my post above this one.

Except that Galactus doesn't slowly "drain" the PC from his heralds. He removes it in one panel.

The Surfer did indeed trick him by de-silvering. Doesn't remove the fact that Galactus hit him with a depowerment beam and he managed to avoid getting depowered. This is fact.

Ahhh. The "just because" argument. You need to come up with actual "feats" in this forum, you know...

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Nothing, I would never say something against KMCs finest! biscuits

😂

Originally posted by Surtur
It doesn't matter if devices can drain Surfer. What matters is if Batman can create them. You need more evidence then "10 years is a long time".

When did Batman specifically create this power draining devices you seem to be so sure he can create? If he never has, then what exactly has Batman ever built on his own(with zero outside help) that makes you think he could create these devices?

Here is the thing, how is Batman going to even be able to "study" the power cosmic? It's not like Silver Surfer is going to offer to show up and allow Batman to study him. Him merely knowing that the power cosmic is a thing that powers the Surfer..isn't really going to grant him any significant understanding of the power cosmic.

I believe Batman can create a device in 10 years that drains Surfer though. Solely based off Batman's short prep feats, intelligence, and the times Surfer has been drained by human technology and no how. And let's not forget that Batman can learn Magic as well.

Originally posted by h1a8
It's called extrapolation. We give Batman the benefit of the doubt based off his intelligence and resources.
Obviously 10 years prep is far greater than 1 month prep. Even with 1 month prep Batman can trick Surfer into granting him the power cosmic. Surfer only needs to change Batman's structure to be like his own. Afterwards, Batman can amp and learn his powers for a good year or so. Hybernate near a star or something. Then commenced to stomping Surfer (since he is the better fighter and better tactician ).

I believe Batman can create a device in 10 years that drains Surfer though. Solely based off Batman's short prep feats, intelligence, and the times Surfer has been drained by human technology and no how. And let's not forget that Batman can learn Magic as well.

You know this is Earth-31 Batman and not canon Batman right?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Except that Galactus doesn't slowly "drain" the PC from his heralds. He removes it in one panel.

The Surfer did indeed trick him by de-silvering. Doesn't remove the fact that Galactus hit him with a depowerment beam and he managed to avoid getting depowered. This is fact.

Ahhh. The "just because" argument. You need to come up with actual "feats" in this forum, you know...

Originally posted by h1a8
Surfer only needs a tiny amount of power to gain full power. Galactus could have drained part and Surfer desilvered to speed up the process to get Galactus to stop early. There was no measure of time in the panel. Could have been less time than it took to drain the other heralds.

Galactus would know how long it takes to depower his heralds. Again, he doesn't slowly drain them, he blasts them and "poof!", powers gone. As I have posted scans to prove it.

Originally posted by h1a8
Anyway, what kills your argument is that Surfer HAD TO TRICK Galactus, otherwise he couldn't prevent being drained. Otherwise, why trick Galactus when you can just outright prevent being drained?

Because he needed a breather to plan his next move. So he played dead. It's on the comic:

So, actually, it's actually, your argument that falls apart. Check and mate.