Frank Millers Batman vs the Silver Surfer...

Lol. Fine. Let's cut to the chase.

Originally posted by h1a8
I just realized that we are arguing about stupid shit. We both agree that it was an energy beam right? Lasers are energy beams. The beam was used to absorb (suck) energy or power. Do you agree with that?

Agree. But I wouldn't say "suck". More like "strip".

Originally posted by h1a8
IOther than that what are we really arguing about? Galactus shot Surfer with a beam that was meant to absorb his power back unto Galactus.

Will agree with this.

Originally posted by h1a8
IOSurfer tricked Galactus by desilvering quickly. Galactus released his beam because he thought Surfer was depowered (PIS). Galactus went away. Surfer slowly resilvered.

Disagree with this.

It was never mentioned on panel that Galactus released the beam or that the beam was even the type that is released. Otherwise, it would have been mentioned in the comic, which it never was. It was more likely a beam that hits a target and creates an effect on impact (like the Omega beams) instantly stripping its target of their PC. It would make sense then for Galactus to assume that the Surfer was depowered and leave rather than being a complete scrub and simply shut off/disable his "draining beam" just cuz the Surfer LOOKS depowered.

Originally posted by h1a8
It doesn't state that Galactus instantly depowers his heralds either. We don't know how long it took. Plus he depowered Morg differently than Rulk or Surfer. A single panel doesn't mean instantly. 3 seconds could be a single panel for all we know.

Galactus easily knows if he's absorbing power or something is resisting him from sucking power. Surfer kept just enough to power back up after Galactus left.

My reply is on my reply to your last reply. Replying to this just makes things convoluted.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Lol. Fine. Let's cut to the chase.

Agree. But I wouldn't say "suck". More like "strip".

Will agree with this.

Disagree with this.

It was never mentioned on panel that Galactus released the beam or that the beam was even the type that is released. Otherwise, it would have been mentioned in the comic, which it never was. It was more likely a beam that hits a target and creates an effect on impact (like the Omega beams) instantly stripping its target of their PC. It would make sense then for Galactus to assume that the Surfer was depowered and leave rather than being a complete scrub and simply shut off/disable his "draining beam" just cuz the Surfer LOOKS depowered.

We have to assume it was a suck since we have evidence of Galactus depowering another being by sucking energy out of them. At best, then neither you or me can claim whether it was a stripping beam or sucking beam.

But let's assume it was a stripping beam. Then we don't know how long it takes to strip. Galactus might have an estimated time but nothing exact. Surfer probably desilvered much quicker than it was going to take. Surfer wasn't completely stripped because he still had some power to recover.

Anyway I claim PIS for Galactus not sensing that Surfer was tricking him and that Surfer still had power in him. So if you claim that Surfer TOTALLY blocked or resisted the strip then it is really PIS due to the fact that Surfer would have had his FULL power inside him while appearing human and Galactus not know it and it's PIS because of how far in power Galactus is over Surfer that Surfer resisting being depowered is PIS.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Terrax/FF243-13.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Statements%20of%20power/FF258_27.jpg

Originally posted by h1a8
We have to assume it was a suck since we have evidence of Galactus depowering another being by sucking energy out of them. At best, then neither you or me can claim whether it was a stripping beam or sucking beam.

Where is the evidence of "suck"? If you're talking about the Rulk scan, it can be as easily interpretted as stripping the power and reabsorbing it after. But fine. Let's say neither of us can decisively prove one way or the other.

Edit. Galan's scans specifically says "strip" not suck. That settles it then.
Edit. Tho first scan seems to imply a flow from Terrax to Galactus. So we're back to square one. Lol.

Originally posted by h1a8
But let's assume it was a stripping beam. Then we don't know how long it takes to strip. Galactus might have an estimated time but nothing exact. Surfer probably desilvered much quicker than it was going to take. Surfer wasn't completely stripped because he still had some power to recover.

Which is my problem with your theory. You're assuming Galactus is a fool. My theory assumes that he knows what he is doing. He struck his herald with the power needed to strip the Surfer of his PC so he had no reason to suspect that the Surfer managed to survive it. What saved him was either 1) quick thinking that allowed him to "save" his power by depowering himself. No power to strip = beam ineffective. Either that or 2) he outright resisted it and played dead to buy time (as the effort no dobut drained him).

Originally posted by h1a8
Anyway I claim PIS for Galactus not sensing that Surfer was tricking him and that Surfer still had power in him. So if you claim that Surfer TOTALLY blocked or resisted the strip then it is really PIS due to the fact that Surfer would have had his FULL power inside him while appearing human and Galactus not know it and it's PIS because of how far in power Galactus is over Surfer that Surfer resisting being depowered is PIS.

Characters have hid from Galactus before (like the Hunger). It's actually quite easy as Galactus feels most everyone is beneath his notice. Surfer's "deglaze" have tricked creatures that have no eyes and in total darkness (so visual cues would be kinda useless) that doesn't know the Surfer enough to know the relevance of his glaze:

It is likely that desilvering hides and protects his power by shunting it somewhere deep inside him

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Heralds/FantasticFour173-08.jpg

That would be the reason why it's allowed. He's absorbing nothing in return. Hell he even appeared hungrier after absorbing Terrax's power.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Energy%20manipulation/FF243-14.jpg

Surfer straight up sidestepped a power draining attempt. I don't get the argument. This is an actual fight as described in the op. The same guy who thinks Thanos will lose to Surfer easily thinks a relatively "featless" Batman will beat him based on nothing. The hypocrisy for DC characters is hilarious.
Why time is being wasted is beyond me.

Batman won't drain Surfer because he can't/hasn't/wouldn't/doesn't know how.

With that being said, he one shots Surfer with a pelvic kick.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Heralds/FantasticFour173-08.jpg

That would be the reason why it's allowed. He's absorbing nothing in return. Hell he even appeared hungrier after absorbing Terrax's power.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Energy%20manipulation/FF243-14.jpg

Surfer straight up sidestepped a power draining attempt. I don't get the argument. This is an actual fight as described in the op. The same guy who thinks Thanos will lose to Surfer easily thinks a relatively "featless" Batman will beat him based on nothing. The hypocrisy for DC characters is hilarious.
Why time is being wasted is beyond me.

Batman won't drain Surfer because he can't/hasn't/wouldn't/doesn't know how.

With that being said, he one shots Surfer with a pelvic kick.

H1 already admitted that Batman loses like near the first few pages.

The argument has come down to "feat" interpretation now, tho. Basically:

Did the Surfer resist/prevent a depowering attempt or did he just trick Galactus into stopping the attempt at the mid-stream of a slow drain?

My problem with the latter argument is that it has zero mention in the comic in question about any of that happening, not the "slow drain", not a "stopping mid stream". It requires a heck of a lot of "extrapolation" with very little on panel basis other than a theory. And assumes Galactus is an absolute scrub (not knowing what it takes to depower his heralds).

The former creates a resistance "feat"/tactic for the Surfer and some ppl don't like it, I guess. But, for me, it takes ALL the evidence available in the comic and simply forms a conclusion based on it while not needing to add anything to it.

Ask h1 what Batman has done.

Galactus has to my recollection only ever taken a panel to drain a herald. Hell it took him a panel to drain full power Korvac and Korvac was operating way above any herald.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Energy%20manipulation/Absorbing/gotgann29.jpg

Either Surfer either had impeccable timing as he still had gaze up or he resisted it to some degree which is... meh but it's a high end feat to say the least. Not the tactic since that seems grounded, but who it was used against. It's likely he got drained to some degree while his gaze was going down though since he pretty much has to have been. But as we saw that didn't seem to have an impact.

Or he just straight resisted being drained and only silvered down to play dead... I don't know. Surfer's been doing some ludacris bridges stuff in this series.

But I don't know why you're discussing Galactus with me. I'm no h1 when it comes to Galactus knowledge.

Originally posted by h1a8
...we are arguing about stupid shit.

-wipes away tear-

Its, so beautiful....