Frank Millers Batman vs the Silver Surfer...

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Galactus would know how long it takes to depower his heralds. Again, he doesn't slowly drain them, he blasts them and "poof!", powers gone. As I have posted scans to prove it.

Because he needed a breather to plan his next move. So he played dead. It's on the comic:

So, actually, it's actually, your argument that falls apart. Check and mate.

lol.

Isn't h1 the same guy who spams speedblitz nonsense everywhere? Yet he doesn't do it when Surfer fights a human. Surfer's last appearance was a speedblitz.

This will be interesting when the next Thanos/Surfer thread has Surfer demolishing Thanos in a split second though.

But this is why some people are on ignore...

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
lol.

Isn't h1 the same guy who spams speedblitz nonsense everywhere? Yet he doesn't do it when Surfer fights a human. Surfer's last appearance was a speedblitz.

This will be interesting when the next Thanos/Surfer thread has Surfer demolishing Thanos in a split second though.

But this is why some people are on ignore...

Originally posted by h1a8

1) Galactus obviously doesnt measure how long it takes to the nearest xsecond. He knows About how long it should take. Galactus is shown absorbing his power back. Whether it be through a beam or not is irrelevant. P
2) It was an absorbing beam. Surfer didn't have to deceive Galactus as he could have merely prevented Galactus from absorbing him.
3) Time to plan? Surfer could simply run away or plan while Galactus is trying to drain him.
4)I believed that Galactus absorbed most of his power, otherwise he would have noticed no energy coming to him.
5) Either way it's PIS.

1) Lol. It takes one beam/blast to depower his heralds. I've shown it thru scans. Stop making stuff up.
2) It was a depowering beam. He literally needs to take away the power cosmic from his heralds for them to lose their powers, not "drain" them. FYI, the Surfer has had all energies drained from him before (Dynamo City) and he got his powers back as soon as he was exposed to ambient starlight.
3) It's right there in the comic. You can ignore on panel facts if you want, but that only makes you wrong.
4) Proof?
5) Classic. "I don't like it, it's PIS!" 😆

Again, you DO know this is Earth-31 Batman right?

Originally posted by h1a8
Who said Batman is fighting Surfer? I thought Batman had 10 years to take him down, unexpectedly. If I'm wrong and they do fight then this changes everything. Batman would literally have to prep by tricking Surfer or someone comparable to granting him powers. Otherwise Batman cant win.

FFS, read the stips. This is MILLER Batman from DKR. And it is implied that the scenario is similar to what Batman wants to achieve on that run.

You know there's a "No outside help" rule here right?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
1) Lol. It takes one beam/blast to depower his heralds. I've shown it thru scans. Stop making stuff up.
2) It was a depowering beam. He literally needs to take away the power cosmic from his heralds for them to lose their powers, not "drain" them. FYI, the Surfer has had all energies drained from him before (Dynamo City) and he got his powers back as soon as he was exposed to ambient starlight.
3) It's right there in the comic. You can ignore on panel facts if you want, but that only makes you wrong.
4) Proof?
5) Classic. "I don't like it, it's PIS!" 😆

Again, you DO know this is Earth-31 Batman right?

1. A continuous beam of unknown time limit that absorbs power AS STATED ON PANEL.
2. He takes his power by simply taking it from them. He doesn't destroy the power but reabsorbs it.
3. We also have the fact that Galactus can feel the power he absorbs just like he does when he absorbs ambient cosmic energy or life energy from planets.
4. The proof is common sense. Why wouldn't Galactus be able to feel power being absorbed into his being?
5. Not only Surfer being able to stop Galactus from draining his power but Galactus not being able to sense power is still inside Surfer is PIS at its finest. There is a bigger gap in power from Galactus to Surfer than Firelord to Spider-Man.

One scene doesn't override decades of scenes where Surfer has been depowered by random tech.

Are we seriously arguing Galactus can't depower surfer just because surfer pulled a last second switcheroo?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
FFS, read the stips. This is MILLER Batman from DKR. And it is implied that the scenario is similar to what Batman wants to achieve on that run.

You know there's a "No outside help" rule here right?

Originally posted by abhilegend
One scene doesn't override decades of scenes where Surfer has been depowered by random tech.

Are we seriously arguing Galactus can't depower surfer just because surfer pulled a last second switcheroo?

It's a new tactic he developed during the run, so, actually, it literally overrides it.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
It's a new tactic he developed during the run, so, actually, it literally overrides it.

Also lulz @ it overriding everything over decades. It's a one time scene, the next writer wouldn't think about it if Surfer gets drained again.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. A continuous beam of unknown time limit that absorbs power AS STATED ON PANEL.
2. He takes his power by simply taking it from them. He doesn't destroy the power but reabsorbs it.
3. We also have the fact that Galactus can feel the power he absorbs just like he does when he absorbs ambient cosmic energy or life energy from planets.
4. The proof is common sense. Why wouldn't Galactus be able to feel power being absorbed into his being?
5. Not only Surfer being able to stop Galactus from draining his power but Galactus not being able to sense power is still inside Surfer is PIS at its finest. There is a bigger gap in power from Galactus to Surfer than Firelord to Spider-Man.

1) As stated where on panel? Pls, by all means, provide said panel.
2) uh huh. No one said he destroys it. And, yes, he reabsorbs the PC when he takes it away. How does this help your argument?
3) um, how is this in response to anything I said?
4) Because that's how the power cosmic works. You're not an authority on how the power cosmic works. Apparently, stripping said power from his heralds is something he can feel. How does this help your argument?
5) Irrelevant. You can scream "PIS it doesn't count". You'd still be wrong.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer has long been able to shed his silver glaze. It's not a new ability.

Also lulz @ it overriding everything over decades. It's a one time scene, the next writer wouldn't think about it if Surfer gets drained again.

But the tactic of him using it to prevent depowerment is.

Then we can discuss it when the next writer features it. 😉

For now, deglaze = resist depowerment.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
1) As stated where on panel? Pls, by all means, provide said panel.
2) uh huh. No one said he destroys it. And, yes, he reabsorbs the PC when he takes it away. How does this help your argument?
3) um, how is this in response to anything I said?
4) Because that's how the power cosmic works. You're not an authority on how the power cosmic works. Apparently, stripping said power from his heralds is something he can feel. How does this help your argument?
5) Irrelevant. You can scream "PIS it doesn't count". You'd still be wrong.

1. The beam is shown to be continuous and operating over a certain amount of time. The time the beam acts is unknown. Galactus states he is reabsorbing the power.
2. It shows there is no zap or poof effect but a draining situation.
3. Same as 2.
4. Same as 2.
5. We have forum rules. Spider-Man vs. Firelord was deemed PIS by forum rules. Thus any larger gap in power is automatically PIS as well, especially when a character blatantly forgets his powers and becomes Super dumb.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. The beam is shown to be continuous and operating over a certain amount of time. The time the beam acts is unknown. Galactus states he is reabsorbing the power.
2. It shows there is no zap or poof effect but a draining situation.
3. Same as 2.
4. Same as 2.
5. We have forum rules. Spider-Man vs. Firelord was deemed PIS by forum rules. Thus any larger gap in power is automatically PIS as well, especially when a character blatantly forgets his powers and becomes Super dumb.

1. Unless you can come up with a scan proving your assertion of "continuous beam". You are just making this up. And no, him saying "reabsored" doesn't count.
2. Proof/Scan of it being continuous?
3. Um, no. I mentioned the reason Norrin decieved Galactus. It was to buy himself time. It's right there on panel. And you deflect by coming up with an unrelated comment...
4. Yeah, you really didn't.
5. Galactus used his depowerment beam to strip the Surfer of his powers. The fact that he didn't bother with the Surfer (who is, once depowered, less than a gnat to him) is actually really in-character for him. And characters have hid from Galactus before, so no, not PIS at all. Actually pretty in-character.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
1. Unless you can come up with a scan proving your assertion of "continuous beam". You are just making this up. And no, him saying "reabsored" doesn't count.
2. Proof/Scan of it being continuous?
3. Um, no. I mentioned the reason Norrin decieved Galactus. It was to buy himself time. It's right there on panel. And you deflect by coming up with an unrelated comment...
4. Yeah, you really didn't.
5. Galactus used his depowerment beam to strip the Surfer of his powers. The fact that he didn't bother with the Surfer (who is, once depowered, less than a gnat to him) is actually really in-character for him. And characters have hid from Galactus before, so no, not PIS at all. Actually pretty in-character.

Are you smoking something? You do know what continous means right?
The beam WAS SHOWN TO BE CONTINUOUS. There were 0 gaps in the beam. It operated over a certain but unknown amount of time. You are trolling now. Him saying reabsorbed proves he in fact reabsorbed the power.

Norrin deceived Galactus. But that doesn't take away that Galactus thought he absorbed the power in its entirety.

What? You didn't understand anything I said. It's PIS cause Galactus didn't sense the power gone from Surfer and was tricked by appearances. You cant trick Galactus by appearances. PIS cause Surfer in no way can stop Galactus from taking his Power away. Galactus can literally eat Surfer, absorb every atom if he wanted to.

Originally posted by h1a8
It's called extrapolation. We give Batman the benefit of the doubt based off his intelligence and resources.
Obviously 10 years prep is far greater than 1 month prep. Even with 1 month prep Batman can trick Surfer into granting him the power cosmic. Surfer only needs to change Batman's structure to be like his own. Afterwards, Batman can amp and learn his powers for a good year or so. Hybernate near a star or something. Then commenced to stomping Surfer (since he is the better fighter and better tactician ).

I believe Batman can create a device in 10 years that drains Surfer though. Solely based off Batman's short prep feats, intelligence, and the times Surfer has been drained by human technology and no how. And let's not forget that Batman can learn Magic as well.

But see you have to extrapolate something using something as a baseline. You have yet to provide any actual evidence Batman can do what you claim.

Your logic also makes no sense. The human technology that drained Surfer was created by someone far more intelligent then Batman.

Also, since when can Batman learn magic? When did he show an affinity for it? Or is this just another "extrapolation" too?

But wait, I just saw you said with a month's prep Batman can trick Surfer into granting him his power cosmic. Um...what? Surfer isn't going to give Batman his powers. There is no logical reason he'd ever give a human his own powers. He's going to get rid of his powers and give them to Batman because..why?

Originally posted by h1a8
Are you smoking something? You do know what continously means right?
The beam WAS SHOWN TO BE CONTINUOUS. There were 0 gaps in the beam. It operated over a certain but unknown amount of time. You are trolling now. Him saying reabsorbed proves he in fact reabsorbed the power.

Norrin deceived Galactus. But that doesn't take away that Galactus thought he absorbed the power in its entirety.

What? You didn't understand anything I said. It's PIS cause Galactus didn't sense the power gone from Surfer and was tricked by appearances. You cant trick Galactus by appearances. PIS cause Surfer in no way can stop Galactus from taking his Power away. Galactus can literally eat Surfer, absorb every atom if he wanted to.

Lol. Being accused of tolling by the biggest troll in here. Priceless.

It being a drawn a beam doesn't make it a continuos beam. The vast majority of energy attacks in comics are drawn as a beam. Even bullets at times. It being drawn as a beam literally proves nothing of the amount of time it takes. But it's cute how you try to pull things out of your butt all the time.

No one is denying that he reabsorbed the power. Why do you keep bringing back something that is not being debated?

Why should that be PIS? Galactus blasted him with a beam meant to depower him. Why should he think it did anything other than depower him?

You do understand we (or Galactus) don't necessarily have to "feel" something we absorb right? The same way we know we absorb nutrients when we eat. It's the act of putting food in our mouth (or, in this respect, blasting someone with a beam) that tells us we've absorbed something. It actually makes sense as the PC in his herald is so minute compared to his that he probably doesn't even notice whether he absorbs it or not.

Nib, try wasting your time somewhere else. You're not going to convince h1 anyway. Nobody ever has. It's futile.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Nib, try wasting your time somewhere else. You're not going to convince h1 anyway. Nobody ever has. It's futile.

You're right, stilt. I really should know better. -_-

Originally posted by Surtur
But see you have to extrapolate something using something as a baseline. You have yet to provide any actual evidence Batman can do what you claim.

Your logic also makes no sense. The human technology that drained Surfer was created by someone far more intelligent then Batman.

Also, since when can Batman learn magic? When did he show an affinity for it? Or is this just another "extrapolation" too?

But wait, I just saw you said with a month's prep Batman can trick Surfer into granting him his power cosmic. Um...what? Surfer isn't going to give Batman his powers. There is no logical reason he'd ever give a human his own powers. He's going to get rid of his powers and give them to Batman because..why?