Originally posted by Robtard
While slapping her, let her know that while she was being raised by her loving lesbian moms same-sex marriage was illegal in S. Carolina and that making same-sex marriages illegal again won't stop same-sex couples from living together and raising children.
I don't understand the disconnect of some of the posters here.
Who generally teaches social niceties, save a person's parents?
If this young lady is as supposedly rude and poor in showing gratitude as some of you claim, who exactly failed to TEACH her those lessons when she was growing up?
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I don't understand the disconnect of some of the posters here.Who generally teaches social niceties, save a person's parents?
If this young lady is as supposedly rude and poor in showing gratitude as some of you claim, who exactly failed to TEACH her those lessons when she was growing up?
You don't understand most things because you're a simpleton.
Depends on the child/situation.
Adults also make up their own choices regardless of their parents' teachings. See, you're a simpleton as shown.
Originally posted by RobtardDepends on the child/situation.
Adults also make up their own choices regardless of their parents' teachings.
Let's assume this true.
Let's assume the "betrayer" was taught social niceties by her guardians, and taught that the action she took in writing that letter was the "wrong" thing to do, and still made the choice to write that letter.
WHY exactly would she have chosen to do so?
What made her feel strongly enough to do that?
No, we don't "assume" truth here, we know adults can make their own choices regardless of how they were raised as children. Stop being so simple, simpleton.
Don't know; I'm not her.
Don't know, I'm not her.
What we do know:
A) She admitted she was raised by loving same-sex parents
B) She went on to rant about a personal issue that had nothing to do with same-sex marriage
C) You're a simpleton and you will not understand this
Originally posted by Robtard
No, we don't "assume" truth here, we know adults can make their own choices regardless of how they were raised as children. Stop being so simple, simpleton.Don't know; I'm not her.
Don't know, I'm not her.What we do know:
A) She admitted she was raised by loving same-sex parents
B) She went on to rant about a personal issue that had nothing to do with same-sex marriage
C) You're a simpleton and you will not understand this
Hmm.
Somebody took you to a church that follows a "New Living" translation of the Bible, hey?
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Proverbs 1:22 [New Living Bible]
"How long, you simpletons, will you insist on being simpleminded? How long will you mockers relish your mocking? How long will you fools hate knowledge?
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http://biblehub.com/proverbs/1-22.htm
Try a church that uses a standard or authorized King James version of the Bible. The other translations used only a fraction of the established manuscripts used by KJV transcribers. You're getting a very incomplete work if you're relying on some, if not all, of the other books.
For that matter, it might be a good idea to read at least a little of the surrounding passages, so you know what the authors were actually trying to communicate:
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20 Wisdom crieth without;
she uttereth her voice in the streets:
21 she crieth in the chief place of concourse,
in the openings of the gates:
in the city she uttereth her words, saying,
22 How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity?
and the scorners delight in their scorning,
and fools hate knowledge?
23 Turn you at my reproof:
behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you,
I will make known my words unto you.
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https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs%201&version=AKJV
Originally posted by RobtardShe went on to rant about a personal issue that had nothing to do with same-sex marriage
Might be a good idea to examine what you're calling a "rant" from her, at least once in this thread. No one has presented more than a link to a link of it so far.
Here is the letter in question; I'd be interested to know what portion of this letter you consider heinous.
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Dear Gay Community: Your Kids Are Hurting
By Heather Barwick
MARCH 17, 2015
Gay community, I am your daughter. My mom raised me with her same-sex partner back in the ’80s and ’90s. She and my dad were married for a little while. She knew she was gay before they got married, but things were different back then. That’s how I got here. It was complicated as you can imagine. She left him when I was two or three because she wanted a chance to be happy with someone she really loved: a woman.
My dad wasn’t a great guy, and after she left him he didn’t bother coming around anymore.
Do you remember that book, “Heather Has Two Mommies”? That was my life. My mom, her partner, and I lived in a cozy little house in the ‘burbs of a very liberal and open-minded area. Her partner treated me as if I was her own daughter. Along with my mom’s partner, I also inherited her tight-knit community of gay and lesbian friends. Or maybe they inherited me?
Either way, I still feel like gay people are my people. I’ve learned so much from you. You taught me how to be brave, especially when it is hard. You taught me empathy. You taught me how to listen. And how to dance. You taught me not be afraid of things that are different. And you taught me how to stand up for myself, even if that means I stand alone.
I’m writing to you because I’m letting myself out of the closet: I don’t support gay marriage. But it might not be for the reasons that you think.
Children Need a Mother and Father
It’s not because you’re gay. I love you, so much. It’s because of the nature of the same-sex relationship itself.
It’s only now, as I watch my children loving and being loved by their father each day, that I can see the beauty and wisdom in traditional marriage and parenting.
Growing up, and even into my 20s, I supported and advocated for gay marriage. It’s only with some time and distance from my childhood that I’m able to reflect on my experiences and recognize the long-term consequences that same-sex parenting had on me. And it’s only now, as I watch my children loving and being loved by their father each day, that I can see the beauty and wisdom in traditional marriage and parenting.
Same-sex marriage and parenting withholds either a mother or father from a child while telling him or her that it doesn’t matter. That it’s all the same. But it’s not. A lot of us, a lot of your kids, are hurting. My father’s absence created a huge hole in me, and I ached every day for a dad. I loved my mom’s partner, but another mom could never have replaced the father I lost.
I grew up surrounded by women who said they didn’t need or want a man. Yet, as a little girl, I so desperately wanted a daddy. It is a strange and confusing thing to walk around with this deep-down unquenchable ache for a father, for a man, in a community that says that men are unnecessary. There were times I felt so angry with my dad for not being there for me, and then times I felt angry with myself for even wanting a father to begin with. There are parts of me that still grieve over that loss today.
I’m not saying that you can’t be good parents. You can. I had one of the best. I’m also not saying that being raised by straight parents means everything will turn out okay. We know there are so many different ways that the family unit can break down and cause kids to suffer: divorce, abandonment, infidelity, abuse, death, etc. But by and large, the best and most successful family structure is one in which kids are being raised by both their mother and father.
Why Can’t Gay People’s Kids Be Honest?
Gay marriage doesn’t just redefine marriage, but also parenting. It promotes and normalizes a family structure that necessarily denies us something precious and foundational. It denies us something we need and long for, while at the same time tells us that we don’t need what we naturally crave. That we will be okay. But we’re not. We’re hurting.
If anyone can talk about hard things, it’s us.
Kids of divorced parents are allowed to say, “Hey, mom and dad, I love you, but the divorce crushed me and has been so hard. It shattered my trust and made me feel like it was my fault. It is so hard living in two different houses.” Kids of adoption are allowed to say, “Hey, adoptive parents, I love you. But this is really hard for me. I suffer because my relationship with my first parents was broken. I’m confused and I miss them even though I’ve never met them.”
But children of same-sex parents haven’t been given the same voice. It’s not just me. There are so many of us. Many of us are too scared to speak up and tell you about our hurt and pain, because for whatever reason it feels like you’re not listening. That you don’t want to hear. If we say we are hurting because we were raised by same-sex parents, we are either ignored or labeled a hater.
This isn’t about hate at all. I know you understand the pain of a label that doesn’t fit and the pain of a label that is used to malign or silence you. And I know that you really have been hated and that you really have been hurt. I was there, at the marches, when they held up signs that said, “God hates ****” and “AIDS cures homosexuality.” I cried and turned hot with anger right there in the street with you. But that’s not me. That’s not us.
I know this is a hard conversation. But we need to talk about it. If anyone can talk about hard things, it’s us. You taught me that.
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http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/17/dear-gay-community-your-kids-are-hurting/
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
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If anyone can talk about hard things, it’s us.
Kids of divorced parents are allowed to say, “Hey, mom and dad, I love you, but the divorce crushed me and has been so hard. It shattered my trust and made me feel like it was my fault. It is so hard living in two different houses.” Kids of adoption are allowed to say, “Hey, adoptive parents, I love you. But this is really hard for me. I suffer because my relationship with my first parents was broken. I’m confused and I miss them even though I’ve never met them.”But children of same-sex parents haven’t been given the same voice. It’s not just me. There are so many of us. Many of us are too scared to speak up and tell you about our hurt and pain, because for whatever reason it feels like you’re not listening. That you don’t want to hear. If we say we are hurting because we were raised by same-sex parents, we are either ignored or labeled a hater.
It's so easy to generalise what other people, kids, may or may not say.
Good way to win a one-sided debate is to always assume what others might feel or think.
Originally posted by Esau CairnIt's so easy to generalize what other people, kids, may or may not say.
Good way to win a one-sided debate is to always assume what others might feel or think.
Another good way to win a debate might be to actually HAVE a discussion, express your thoughts, and see your assumptions borne out by people's responses.
Case in point:
Originally posted by Heather Barwick
If we say we are hurting because we were raised by same-sex parents, we are either ignored or labeled a hater ... "
Originally posted by Robtard
She's got daddy abandonment issues and is lashing out at the people who by her own account loved her and taught her “how to be brave,” have “empathy,” “how to listen,” and “how to stand up for myself, even if that means I stand alone."She's a ****ing ungrateful turd, imo. She's cute though; would smash
Originally posted by Spawningpool
That ungrateful b1tch
Originally posted by Jmanghan
As long as it isn't bullying. Btw, what I meant by "pissing me off", is trying to bully me or such, or pick on me. But yes,
being against gay marriage is wrong, and you're a horrible human being for saying otherwise.