Sidious never demonstrated a storm on such a scale as to actually one-shot a planetary-wide area, like Vitiate just did. Sure he could tear the surface off a planet but going by his demonstrated ability it would be an extremely slow, steady process as he directs his storm around the surface bit by bit.
Originally posted by NephthysYes but as I'm trying to explain to Legend, a Force Storm =/= Force Drain. In terms of destructive power its vastly superior, Force drain just sucks the life out of things, a Force storm would atomise absolutely everything it touches.
Sidious never demonstrated a storm on such a scale as to actually one-shot a planetary-wide area, like Vitiate just did. Sure he could tear the surface off a planet but going by his demonstrated ability it would be an extremely slow, steady process as he directs his storm around the surface bit by bit.
So obviously replicating Sith Emperor levels of destruction with a Force storm would require much more power.
It's akin to claiming that obliterating someone with Force lightning is the same as insta-killing them with Force drain, or that they would have to do that to match it. It's not and they do not, the former requires much more power.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
That is what would happen if a Force storm consumed a planet. So even if that he couldn't means nothing, because the Sith Emperor couldn't achieve that level of power either.However, I would appreciate a quote on that.
And neither did the Sith Emperor. Force draining a world =/= consuming/destroying it with a Force storm.Your point is moot, which is what happens when you compare totally different powers.
Vitiate have demonstrated greater power then Sidious (DE), period.
Vitiate;
1. Corrupted the entire environment of planet Dromund Kaas
2. Dominated all life on planet Ziost
3. Destroyed all life on planet Ziost
4. Destroyed the environment of planet Ziost
5. Is stated to be stronger then combined might of Dread Masters, a group of Lords who have destroyed entire fleets with their joint efforts.
Here is footage of actions (3.) and (4.):
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yes but as I'm trying to explain to Legend, a Force Storm =/= Force Drain. In terms of destructive power its vastly superior, Force drain just sucks the life out of things, a Force storm would atomise absolutely everything it touches.So obviously replicating Sith Emperor levels of destruction with a Force storm would require much more power.
It's akin to claiming that obliterating someone with Force lightning is the same as insta-killing them with Force drain, or that they would have to do that to match it. It's not and they do not, the former requires much more power.
Did you watch the video? Vitiate didn't (just?) drain them, he disintegrated them. He basically did atomise them.
Also Sidious doesn't contibute the energy for the Force Storm, he rips reality apart or something and then the wormhole destroys everything.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Did you watch the video? Vitiate didn't (just?) drain them, he disintegrated them. He basically did atomise them.
I don't see why you're arguing that Sidious doing it would be a long and arduous process when Vitiate doing it took ages as well....
In fact, preparation and his gathering of power took days in and of itself.
As for the Force Storm, he has to control it so it is his power.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yes but as I'm trying to explain to Legend, a Force Storm =/= Force Drain. In terms of destructive power its vastly superior, Force drain just sucks the life out of things, a Force storm would atomise absolutely everything it touches.So obviously replicating Sith Emperor levels of destruction with a Force storm would require much more power.
It's akin to claiming that obliterating someone with Force lightning is the same as insta-killing them with Force drain, or that they would have to do that to match it. It's not and they do not, the former requires much more power.
I understand the difference between two powers.
And your assumptions are absolutely ridiculous. Nowhere it is stated that Force Storm (Wormhole) requires greater raw power then the raw power required to consume an entire planet. Force Storm (Wormhole) power significantly varies in scale and not a single demonstrated example exists which represents consumption of an entire planet with it. Demonstrated Force Storm (Wormhole) powers had much smaller diameter then a planet.
In addition, Force Storm (Wormhole) power can be practiced like other powers. Jedi banned its use due to its volatile nature. However, Vitiate's greatest powers have never been learned.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDThe people are atomised, the planet is merely drained of life, that is not the same as stripping the surface of a planet completely and atomising everything on it, not just life, which it would appear Sidious is capable of.
What nonsense.Vitiate have demonstrated greater power then Sidious (DE), period.
Vitiate;
1. Corrupted the entire environment of planet Dromund Kaas
2. Dominated all life on planet Ziost
3. Destroyed all life on planet Ziost
4. Destroyed the environment of planet Ziost
5. Is stated to be stronger then combined might of Dread Masters, a group of Lords who have destroyed entire fleets with their joint efforts.Here is footage of actions (3.) and (4.):
Which leaves you with no proof that the Sith Emperor is actually stronger, and could not perform these feats.
Heck if anything, Sidious has done better.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDAll life =/= everything.
Vitiate's power atomized all life on Ziost. Check my post above.I understand that difference between two powers.
And your assumptions are absolutely ridiculous. Nowhere it is stated that Force Storm (Wormhole) requires greater power then the power with which Vitiate consumed an entire planet.
Force Storm (Wormhole) power can be practiced like other powers. Jedi banned its use due to its volatile nature.
Its superior destructive power is proof.
Originally posted by Selenial
I don't see why you're arguing that Sidious doing it would be a long and arduous process when Vitiate doing it took ages as well....In fact, preparation and his gathering of power took days in and of itself.
As for the Force Storm, he has to control it so it is his power.
Because a planet is huge and it takes ages for a shockwave of energy to go around the whole planet I expect. But I'll wait for more info on the evacuation.
And for that.
Not the same thing as Beni was saying though. It;s not his energy disintegrating everything.
Originally posted by NephthysI took peek, and yeah draining everything of life seems to have the effect of leaving a desert behind, but the surface remains intact, its just dead.
The planet visibly changes color from orbit so clearly it was very effected. It looks like maybe it effected everything living?
So yes, everything living, but a Force storm would do much more damage.
P.S. I'm kinda pissed the ****ed up Ziost... I liked that planet.
Did anyone else notice Leg. flat-out disregard Luke's opinion here on Force storms but take the Wrath's remark about the Dread Masters and Vitiate as infallible gospel elsewhere?
This is why almost every single debate devolves into trolling tbh. Hard to have an honest debate when very few are honest. 👆
Originally posted by Beniboybling
The people are atomised, the planet is merely drained of life, that is not the same as stripping the surface of a planet completely and atomising everything on it, not just life, which it would appear Sidious is capable of.Which leaves you with no proof that the Sith Emperor is actually stronger, and could not perform these feats.
Heck if anything, Sidious has done better.
Sidious never demonstrated the ability to actually do that though and what "tear the surface from worlds" actually entails. We do see his Force Storm on a planet and it really doesn't do much destruction.
Actually, Vitiate's attack is the one with a solid demonstration, while Sidious' is unproven and from what he's actually demonstrated far lesser.
Not, it really isn't even close. Sidious' attack is miniscule compared to Vitiate's. It's a far lesser display. It's like the difference between completely obliterating a house to "merely" wrecking a city. One is obviously far more impressive.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
The people are atomised, the planet is merely drained of life, that is not the same as stripping the surface of a planet completely and atomising everything on it, not just life, which it would appear Sidious is capable of.
Also, provide a single example of a Force Storm (Wormhole) power that destroyed or consumed an entire planet.
This is the best example:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/124590/4293503-1538420241-19944.jpg
However, much of the Coruscant remained intact. And Luke Skywalker was able to enter the Force Storm (Wormhole).
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Which leaves you with no proof that the Sith Emperor is actually stronger, and could not perform these feats.Heck if anything, Sidious has done better.All life =/= everything.
Its superior destructive power is proof.
Your attempts at low-balling Vitiate are futile.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Did anyone else notice Leg. flat-out disregard Luke's opinion here on Force storms but take the Wrath's remark about the Dread Masters and Vitiate as infallible gospel elsewhere?This is why almost every single debate devolves into trolling tbh. Hard to have an honest debate when very few are honest. 👆
I actually find it funny how for so long Vitiate has had little but hype to indicate his godlike power and that you've constantly put down his "hyperbolic" statements yet now Vitiate is the one who's gotten a solid planet-killer feat while you're relying on unproven statements. 😉
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Did anyone else notice Leg. flat-out disregard Luke's opinion here on Force storms but take the Wrath's remark about the Dread Masters and Vitiate as infallible gospel elsewhere?This is why almost every single debate devolves into trolling tbh. Hard to have an honest debate when very few are honest. 👆
Dread Masters have taken out fleets at maximum. Vitiate have taken out worlds in comparison.
Wrath's opinion is credible by virtue of demonstrated evidence.
