The Old Republic: Rise of the Emperor

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Seriously?

Dread Masters have taken out fleets at maximum. Vitiate have taken out worlds in comparison.

Wrath's opinion is credible by virtue of demonstrated evidence.

You were pimping out The Wrath's "credible opinion" as fact long before this video ever hit the internet, Leg. It's a double standard and a pretty blatant one.

{The presently unknown circumstances of this display notwithstanding.}

Originally posted by Nephthys
I actually find it funny how for so long Vitiate has had little but hype to indicate his godlike power and that you've constantly put down his "hyperbolic" statements yet now Vitiate is the one who's gotten a solid planet-killer feat while you're relying on unproven statements. 😉

I dismissed appellations about Vitiate's "godlike" power and status. Nowhere did I ever dismiss statements of his feats as "hyperbolic," {unless specifically contradtced} which is what we're dealing with here. 👆

What about the thing were it says Vitiate can corrupt anyone with his mere presence and can do so to any Jedi no matter how strong. I'm preeeetty sure you said hyperbolic at least once to that.

Also whats this about the Wrath?

Originally posted by Nephthys
What about the thing were it says Vitiate can corrupt anyone with his mere presence and can do so to any Jedi no matter how strong. I'm preeeetty sure you said hyperbolic at least once to that.

That's why I said unless otherwise contradicted. 👆

Originally posted by Nephthys
Also whats this about the Wrath?

Leg. disregards Luke's opinion about Force storms and their capability but takes the Wrath's opinion of Vitiate vis a vis the Dread Masters as the gospel.

Originally posted by Nephthys
What about the thing were it says Vitiate can corrupt anyone with his mere presence and can do so to any Jedi no matter how strong. I'm preeeetty sure you said hyperbolic at least once to that.

Also whats this about the Wrath?

Shame Lana Beniko resisted him pretty soundly. Theron Shan aswell.

Yeh, super undefeatable telepath right there.

What opinion about the Dread Masters and Vitiate tho.

Also you're still full of shit and you've definitely tried to argue away some statements of Vitiate's.

Originally posted by Selenial
Shame Lana Beniko resisted him pretty soundly. Theron Shan aswell.

Yeh, super undefeatable telepath right there.

It was an example not an argument.

Originally posted by Nephthys
What opinion about the Dread Masters and Vitiate tho.

How they're nothing compared to him, even collectively, or some such?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Also you're still full of shit and you've definitely tried to argue away some statements of Vitiate's.

You're free to show me where I've disregarded a quote of Vitiate's that wasn't contradicted.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Sidious never demonstrated the ability to actually do that though and what "tear the surface from worlds" actually entails. We do see his Force Storm on a planet and it really doesn't do much destruction.

Actually, Vitiate's attack is the one with a solid demonstration, while Sidious' is unproven and from what he's actually demonstrated far lesser.

And we see Sidious' Force storms obliterating fleets and the damage it caused (inadvertently to Coruscant) was such that the planet still hadn't recovered 6 years later.

However if your going to claim ambiguity, then you can't make assumptions e.g. the Sith Emperor's showing his more impressive.

Not, it really isn't even close. Sidious' attack is miniscule compared to Vitiate's. It's a far lesser display. It's like the difference between completely obliterating a house to "merely" wrecking a city. One is obviously far more impressive.

Originally posted by Selenial
Shame Lana Beniko resisted him pretty soundly. Theron Shan aswell.

Yeh, super undefeatable telepath right there.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
How about tearing the surface from worlds, y'know, obliterating the top surface layer. I think its pretty clear.

And we see Sidious' Force storms obliterating fleets and the damage it caused (inadvertently to Coruscant) was such that the planet still hadn't recovered 6 years later.

However if your going to claim ambiguity, then you can't make assumptions e.g. the Sith Emperor's showing his more impressive.

I recall witnessing floating chunks of starship remains around Oricon.

Vitiate's power can be as destructive, if unleashed on a fleet.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Please explain how tearing obliterating everything on the surface of a planet is less impressive than merely obliterating all life on a planet.

Single.

Made a thread for the most powerful/Sidious vs. Vitiate stuff so we can confine it to one thread.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
They had plot armor.

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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
They had plot armor.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Dread Masters powers also obliterated entire fleets. Did you forget the Oricon episode?

I recall witnessing obliterated pieces of starships around Oricon.

Vitiate's power can be as destructive, if unleashed on a fleet.

Please provide a single example of a planet whom Sidious completely flattened?

Single.

--Taken from Dark Empire Sourcebook

Considering Darth Sidious was a master (and the only known master) of this technique and that Luke attributed Sidious with the power to kill worlds, and that he was demonstrated every other aspect mention, this is most likely within his capabilities.

Its also considered the most destructive Force power known...

Response here: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t611940.html

Originally posted by The_Tempest
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Originally posted by Beniboybling
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Speaking through those he's possessed, he controls powerful pawns like Master Surro, the leader of a team of elite militarized Jedi known as the Sixth Line.

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Rise of the Emperor

On Ziost, Vitiate telepathically dominated and controlled all kinds of beings ranging from defenseless mooks to powerful Force-users.

I really doubt that Lana Beniko and Theron Shan can resist Vitiate's telepathic influence when even some of the strongest Jedi couldn't.

Theron, perhaps. Lana? She could easily be stronger than Surro.

Leg., plot armor isn't a compelling argument to make. Anyone could use that excuse for anything.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
You mean mentally dominate those aboard fleets...

This Republic fleet ended-up obliterated.

You can check some remains of this Republic fleet floating around Oricon:

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Now whose making baseless assumptions...

Originally posted by Beniboybling
This is perhaps the single most destructive Force power known.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
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Capable of creating annihilating vortices, the storms can swallow whole fleets of spaceships or tear the surfaces off worlds.

--Taken from Dark Empire Sourcebook[/i]

Do you understand the difference between conjecture and evidence?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Considering Darth Sidious was a master (and the only known master) of this technique and that Luke attributed Sidious with the power to kill worlds, and that he was demonstrated every other aspect mention, this is most likely within his capabilities.

And no, Darth Sidious have never unleashed a dark side power of such magnitude that consumed an entire world. NEVER.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Its also considered the most destructive Force power known...

Response here: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t611940.html

I really doubt that authors of DE sourcebooks had an idea of Vitiate's powers.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Theron, perhaps. Lana? She could easily be stronger than Surro.

Surro (host) was strong enough to pwn Lana.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Leg., plot armor isn't a compelling argument to make. Anyone could use that excuse for anything.

If Vitiate can telepathically dominate powerful Force-users, he can telepathically dominate Theron and Lana. However, writers have to make story interesting so they tend to protect main characters with plot armor.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
If Vitiate can telepathically dominate powerful Force-users, he can telepathically dominate Theron and Lana. However, writers have to make story interesting so they tend to protect main characters with plot armor.

No, you didn't cite valid reasons. A perfectly valid reason could be that Vitiate can't "telepathically dominate powerful Force users" easily and that if you're powerful enough, you can resist him altogether.

You're citing "plot armor" as an excuse to facilitate a preferred interpretation. For your reasons to be valid, you actually need to show why "plot armor" is more valid than the alternative.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
No, you didn't cite valid reasons. A perfectly valid reason could be that Vitiate can't "telepathically dominate powerful Force users" easily and that if you're powerful enough, you can resist him altogether.

You're citing "plot armor" as an excuse to facilitate a preferred interpretation. For your reasons to be valid, you actually need to show why "plot armor" is more valid than the alternative.

Emperor Vitiate have history of breaking some of the strongest Jedi of the Order with his telepathic abilities including Revan, Malak, Tol Braga, Warren Sedoru, Leeha Narezz, and Hero of Tython.

Not satisfied with the aforementioned explanation?

Consider Darth Malgus; he have mortally wounded and killed several Force-users (including some powerful Jedi) with Force lightning. However, Jace Malcom was able to tank his lightning for a short while and survive. Care to explain this discrepancy?