Zatanna Vs The Hulk

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk starts off angry and that still doesn't take away from all of his fts belonging to him instead of it being pointed to specifics. Now please tell me all of the fts that belongs to each Sentry (not talking about Void either), Gladiator, Doomsday's, etc...

Sure.

I am NOT saying that Hulk starts off calm, btw. Never said that.

When we say Death Seed Sentry, he has feats that non-Void unstable Sentry does not have.

Stable Sentry has different feats from Unstable Sentry.

We differentiate between them. Siege Sentry is different.

Doomsday's powers don't stem from anger. BUT we DO differentiate between them. Doomsday Rex, HP Doomsday, DoS Doomsday etc.

Gladiator is usually at his average, which is at full confidence. He can't get any more confident than that, lol.

Genis Vell has Insane and non-insane differentiation as well.

Originally posted by carver9
DCU Z and DCNU Z are complete different characters. The Hulk is the same character that has done everything (main part here) under his OWN power. You might as well separate all of Savage Hulk fts since he's more angry at one point than he is at the beginning of the fight. You're entire argument is based off anger levels, isn't it?

The Hulks are all different characters, as well. Different mindsets. Same powersets, but of course, we argue characters here, not powersets, so moot, right??

DCnU and DCU Z have the same powersets. They did what they did (main part here) under their OWN power. They both derive their powers from being Homo Magi. No amps.

Dark Saint explaining the bare basics to a 10 year old veteran who STILL does not understand the rules.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Dark Saint explaining the bare basics to a 10 year old veteran who [b]STILL does not understand the rules. [/B]

If I see a thread specifying 'Doc Green vs XYZ', I would use feats and showings that Doc Green has exhibited. The thread does not say 'Hulk', the OP has gone through the trouble of specifying it is Doc Green. So Doc Green it is.

Otherwise, I might as well say that WBH is in all Hulk threads.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Thanks. What's your take on use of feats from 'other' Hulks? Savage, Indestructible etc? Or did you just want feats from the guy wearing the nifty waistcoat and the so-in-the-moment haircut?

As to the haircut...Zatanna has a clear fashion advantage as fishnets never go out of style... 😱

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Sure.

I am [b]NOT saying that Hulk starts off calm, btw. Never said that.

When we say Death Seed Sentry, he has feats that non-Void unstable Sentry does not have.

Stable Sentry has different feats from Unstable Sentry.

We differentiate between them. Siege Sentry is different.

Doomsday's powers don't stem from anger. BUT we DO differentiate between them. Doomsday Rex, HP Doomsday, DoS Doomsday etc.

Gladiator is usually at his average, which is at full confidence. He can't get any more confident than that, lol.

Genis Vell has Insane and non-insane differentiation as well. [/B]

Lol...we are not talking about Death seed or Void here, we are talking about SENTRY. At one moment he can have a child like mind and even during these states, he is still extremely powerful and at and other time he can be as confident as day. Do we separate his showings based off this since his powers does thrive off of his mental state?

Lol...just because Hulk suffers from a personality disorder doesn't mean his fts doesn't belong to him. That's just part of the character. What we do know is, Banner is still in control in ALL of the Hulks.

Uuummmm, Doomsday power has been stated on panel to be linked to his anger. Those Doomsday's you named are not Doomsday's, they are replicas. I'm talking about Doomsday.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...we are not talking about Death seed or Void here, we are talking about SENTRY. At one moment he can have a child like mind and even during these states, he is still extremely powerful and at and other time he can be as confident as day. Do we separate his showings based off this since his powers does thrive off of his mental state?

Lol...just because Hulk suffers from a personality disorder doesn't mean his fts doesn't belong to him. That's just part of the character. What we do know is, Banner is still in control in ALL of the Hulks.

Uuummmm, Doomsday power has been stated on panel to be linked to his anger. Those Doomsday's you named are not Doomsday's, they are replicas. I'm talking about Doomsday.

What is it that you too are arguing about to do with Sentry? Separating his feats and stuff? I'm in College so I can't really read through the argument that much.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
What is it that you too are arguing about to do with Sentry? Separating his feats and stuff? I'm in College so I can't really read through the argument that much.

Naah, all of Sentry fts belong to him.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
What is it that you too are arguing about to do with Sentry? Separating his feats and stuff? I'm in College so I can't really read through the argument that much.

My point was that if one goes to the trouble of naming a Sentry version, you get to use the feats as exhibited by that Sentry. If, however, you just use 'Sentry', and when people ask, you just reply with 'Sentry', then all feats are admissible.

Also, that carver is a poo head, but there has been no dissent on that.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
My point was that if one goes to the trouble of naming a Sentry version, you get to use the feats as exhibited by that Sentry. If, however, you just use 'Sentry', and when people ask, you just reply with 'Sentry', then all feats are admissible.

Also, that carver is a poo head, but there has been no dissent on that.

Lol...can't believe you called me that.

So this all boils down to Hulk suffering from split personality?

Not really seeing why Zee fairs any better against Hulk than she did against Lobo in reign in hell.

Originally posted by carver9
So this all boils down to Hulk suffering from split personality?

It boils down to if someone takes the trouble to specify a specific incarnation (Savage/Doc Green etc) then we use that version, and that version only. Like Classic Kingpin, Classic Ion, Classic Parallax, Classic Juggernaut etc.

I don't use Kyle's Ion feats when talking about Sodom Yat when he was fighting SBP, for example. Even though the Ion entity is the same, and there wasn't any official depowering (that I know of).

Originally posted by beatboks
Not really seeing why Zee fairs any better against Hulk than she did against Lobo in reign in hell.

Uhm...reverse physical trauma only "failed" because there was someone else there for Lobo to attack.

She was practically toying with him.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Uhm...reverse physical trauma only "failed" because there was someone else there for Lobo to attack.

She was practically toying with him.

Every attack failed because Lobo could take what ever pain she could dish out. Because she wasnt prepared to kill he could just keep coming. Hulk is every bit as capable of taking everything and just keep coming.

Originally posted by beatboks
Every attack failed because Lobo could take what ever pain she could dish out. Because she wasnt prepared to kill he could just keep coming. Hulk is every bit as capable of taking everything and just keep coming.

Except when Hulk sleeps/calms down, he reverts to puny Banner.

Originally posted by beatboks
Every attack failed because Lobo could take what ever pain she could dish out. Because she wasnt prepared to kill he could just keep coming. Hulk is every bit as capable of taking everything and just keep coming.

Hulk also gets stronger much faster than he gets durable, and its not like he could actually affect her...

Originally posted by relentless1
Hulks faster than Spidey for sure but cmon, he's not on Superman or Wonder womans level of blitz or combat speed

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Except when Hulk sleeps/calms down, he reverts to puny Banner.

Not this Hulk.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It boils down to if someone takes the trouble to specify a specific incarnation (Savage/Doc Green etc) then we use that version, and that version only. Like Classic Kingpin, Classic Ion, Classic Parallax, Classic Juggernaut etc.

I don't use Kyle's Ion feats when talking about Sodom Yat when he was fighting SBP, for example. Even though the Ion entity is the same, and there wasn't any official depowering (that I know of).

Kyle and Sodom Yat are two different people. Hulk is the same being, can't compare the two. The Ion is the same but it's being used by different peeps. Now if Ion Kyle while calmed destroyed a planet with ease, I would separate his fts because he is pissed off and destroyed a planet twice the size. It's the same person, same character that did it and it's within his ability. Everything ft that Hulk has done is within his ability, no matter the mindset. The onky difference is, it depends on how pissed he is which is where his power amplifies. HIS POWER AMPLIFIES. That's like me separating fts from Power Gem Champion because at one moment he is pissed off and another he is calm. Even though the gem feeds him power the more he taps into it (based off of his emotion), everything he did with the gem belongs to him. The onky difference is, Hulk is suffering from split personality.

ALL of Hulk fts belong to him. His abilities is to be dynamic. So if I AM debating Hulk, I'm using all of his material since it's the same character without any outside amp.

Originally posted by carver9
Not this Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
ALL of Hulk fts belong to him. His abilities is to be dynamic. So if I AM debating Hulk, I'm using all of his material since it's the same character without any outside amp.

Impressive you contradicted yourself in just one post. So all feats can be applied to hulk...just not his low showings. Gotcha.