Anakin Skywalker vs HoT

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Well the creators of the cartoon did say that under extreme circumstances, force users were shown to unleash themselves.

That said, Windu's feats in the 'minis' only looked more flashy compared to TCW, but in all seriousness, I don't see how force waving a bunch of frozen droids is all that over the top compared to his showings in TCW. The newer series had him pushing over ET-AT walkers. Considering the size and weight of the walker, blasting away a very large army of droids with a force wave shouldn't be beneath him. Smashing two droids into thousands of pieces by clinching his fist in the 'minis?' He's done that to dozens of them with a one handed force push in the newer series as well; not to mention lifting a massive platform and then crushing a separatist war vehicle like an ant with it.

His mile long jumps were perhaps the only exaggerations. Even blasting away hundreds of battle droids in conjunction with Yoda was replicated by Maul and Savage on hundreds of soldiers in a TCW tie-in comic.

Tbh I always found OCW to be in the same boat as, say, KOTOR or TFU.

Thanks, Stigma.

Also, I meant 'micro,' not 'minis.'

How is KotOR exaggerated? And TFU is well above OCW or KotOR both.

Go home, Stigma, you're drunk.

They're not when taking the whole EU into consideration.

I'm guessing he meant that in terms of what they show as far as force usage, they're not too far apart.

Aside from Nihilus, I don't see how. And that guy was meant to be a freak who artificially boosted his level of power beyond mortal levels.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
They're not when taking the whole EU into consideration.

I'm guessing he meant that in terms of what they show as far as force usage, they're not too far apart.

Most of sources are exaggerated. There are fery few which are comperable to the movies in terms of characters' abilities. TCW, Rebels are some of them. Majority of Republic comics were consistent with the movies. Luceno's books as well (as I remember).
But every source, where people can turn other people into ashes by FL is exaggerated. ROTS Sidious was the strongest Sith Lord in history, and he couldn't replace that feat against Windu or Luke in the movies.

CW is terribly exaggerated. But there are sources, that are exaggerated far more. KOTOR 2 for example. And other sources (comics as I remember) about Nihilus. Almost all about Vitiate as well.

CW is easier to judge only because it's a source from movies ERA.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Go home, Stigma, you're drunk.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I'm guessing he meant that in terms of what they show as far as force usage, they're not too far apart.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Even if you take KotOR 2 into account, besides Nihilus, Traya, or Dark!Exile, everyone else is weak. There's no comparison at all.

Nihilus is acceptable though. He's not just strong becuz. He's just using a specialised technique that makes him escalatingly more powerful. The more he drains, the more powerful he is, the more he can drain.

Also he's not even on another level. Remember that padawan that held up a Star Destroyer?

Originally posted by Nephthys
PT characters won't suck without the 2003 feats. You know they can still be competitive with their feats in other materials, as this thread has demonstrated quite well. They already have the advantage of having more feats on an individual basis than most era's have combined. There's no need to rely on ridiculous outliers to establish their levels. Don't act as if I'm taking away your toys when the decks already stacked in your favor.

This has been a stance I've held for years, I'm not sure why you're so deluded in thinking this is a sudden transformation of mine. That I believe the most powerful Jedi in the swtor era is better than Obi-Wan Kenobi doesn't indicate some incredible duplicity on my part.

Since we're adopting a cards metaphor, let me simply say that just because mine is the better hand doesn't give you leave to alter the rules at your leisure and selectively apply them. 👆

Also, stances like this probably don't help you on the whole nexus front. As usual, you expect a magnanimity from your opponent that you're unwilling to reciprocate.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Yeah, "I REALLY WANT ALL OF THE PT CHARACTERS TO SUCK!" as opposed to "I REALLY WANT ALL CHARACTERS NOT COMBATIVELY AFFILIATED WITH MOVIE CHARACTERS TO BE BENEATH DOOKU, AND MOST OF THEM TO BE BENEATH VENTRESS!!!!"

👆

First, calm down.

Second, don't calm down: your anger is gratifying. 313

Third, say what you want about my opinion of Bane {since we know that's what this is really about}, but the standard by which I judge Bane {nexuses}, I judge all other characters. As Neph says, the deck ultimately plays to my advantage, so I don't need to use double standards or play dirty to win debates like these. 👆

Originally posted by Nephthys
Also he's not even on another level. Remember that padawan that held up a Star Destroyer?

Ha ha -.-
WTF Neph, is it a bad joke, or double standards?

Originally posted by McP
Ha ha -.-
WTF Neph, is it a bad joke, or double standards?

Like I said, Nihilus has a reason he's so powerful and is constantly touted as being so powerful he's he's barely even a mortal being anymore and who operates on a level beyond normal perceptions. That he is that strong is more or less the driving force behind his whole character.

Rivi-Anu is just some random padawan who's never mentioned again. 😬

Originally posted by Nephthys
Like I said, Nihilus has a reason he's so powerful and is constantly touted as being so powerful he's he's barely even a mortal being anymore and who operates on a level beyond normal perceptions. That he is that strong is more or less the driving force behind his whole character.

Rivi-Anu is just some random padawan who's never mentioned again. 😬

A novel paradigm. You ever consider artistic license and creative intent with characters not named Nihilus or not set before the prequel era?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Since we're adopting a cards metaphor, let me simply say that just because mine is the better hand doesn't give you leave to alter the rules at your leisure and selectively apply them. 👆

Also, stances like this probably don't help you on the whole nexus front. As usual, you expect a magnanimity from your opponent that you're unwilling to reciprocate.

Which is why I pointed out that I'm not doing this at my leisure and have maintained this position for like 3 or 4 years by now. Did you.... even read what I said? :?

I don't so much expect this to be blindly accepted as I do actually argue my point of view. Constantly. For years. :I

Originally posted by The_Tempest
First, calm down.

Second, don't calm down: your anger is gratifying. 313

Third, say what you want about my opinion of Bane {since we know that's what this is really about}, but the standard by which I judge Bane {nexuses}, I judge all other characters. As Neph says, the deck ultimately plays to my advantage, so I don't need to use double standards or play dirty to win debates like these. 👆

I don't see how DMB mimicking something you said indicates he's angry. He's just making a point. 😬

And you could try to be less smug about the idea that these debates are unfairly stacked in your favor.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
A novel paradigm. You ever consider artistic license and creative intent with characters not named Nihilus or not set before the prequel era?

Sure. I suspect it was maaaybe a One-with-the-Force moment, like maybe thats what they were going for but like, theres nothing really indicating that and idk am I giving them too much credit? It just seems to be usual 2003 CW shenanigans. So many shenanigans.

Also what? Artistic license is all like my whole point. It's all like exaggerated because its all up and made crazy by the artist to make it motherf*cking more awesome and shit.

I know who Rivi-Anu is. And no, Nihilus shouldn't be that strong. That's all.

And even excluding his drain power, Kreia said, that "there are techniques within the Force against which there is no defense".
She was possilby talking about Forc sever. Which would make Kreia and Nihilus superior technical Force users to Sidious. But wait, that a BS. Force sever isn't unstopable, just as Nihilus' drain isn't. It was consider as such only because in that shitty era there were no guys without pathetic Force's guard or pathetic Force defenses.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Which is why I pointed out that I'm not doing this at my leisure and have maintained this position for like 3 or 4 years by now. Did you.... even read what I said? :?

Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't so much expect this to be blindly accepted as I do actually argue my point of view. Constantly. For years. :I

Yes, yes, you've maintained the position that feats you don't like from the prequel/original era are exaggerated and don't count. That's selective application. At least with nexuses, I'll hold Sidious to the same standard. uhuh

Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't see how DMB mimicking something [b]you said indicates he's angry. He's just making a point. 😬 [/b]

You... don't see his anger? Your willful ignorance is most certainly not gratifying. ahuh

Originally posted by Nephthys
And you could try to be less smug about the idea that these debates are unfairly stacked in your favor.

Who said anything about "unfairly"? It's not my fault that the characters you like largely constitute a rogues gallery of nobodies and obscurities that will be forgotten in the next decade whereas characters I like are by and large well-received, popular, memorable, and important in the grand scheme of things and are portrayed accordingly.

Maybe you and Dmb should consider joining my camp? excellent

{Except Turr Phennir, goddammit.}

But like I said, it doesn't change anything. The fact that some characters have more exposure than others isn't grounds to carve into the source material as a means of equalizing things.

Originally posted by McP
I know who Rivi-Anu is. And no, Nihilus shouldn't be that strong. That's all.

And even excluding his drain power, Kreia said, that "there are techniques within the Force against which there is no defense".
She was possilby talking about Forc sever. Which would make Kreia and Nihilus superior technical Force users to Sidious. But wait, that a BS. Force sever isn't unstopable, just as Nihilus' drain isn't. It was consider as such only because in that shitty era there were no guys without pathetic Force's guard or pathetic Force defenses.

Well you're a big o laughs.

Please explain to me why Nihilus shouldn't be that strong. I fail to see the illogic.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well you're a big o laughs.

mmm

Originally posted by Nephthys
Please explain to me why Nihilus shouldn't be that strong. I fail to see the illogic.

I'll play Devil's advocate here and reframe the question. Why, when considering creative intent as you did earlier, should Nihilus or Vitiate or any character not named The Son be as or more powerful than Darth Sidious, the Big Bad of the saga? The guy who in George's words represents "The Devil"?