Star Wars: Lords of the Sith

So wait is Vader actually Sidious speed or was Sidious holding back the whole time?

There is nothing to imply he was holding back

The text says Vader "moved with even greater speed". He is clearly capable of reacting to Sidious.

Well Sidious seemed to be faster in their duel against the Lyleks, just not by a substantial amount. As for him holding back, it could certainly be read that way. Personally, I don't but I'm a bit of a Vader fanboy. 😛

Originally posted by carthage
There is nothing to imply he was holding back

The text says Vader "moved with even greater speed". He is clearly capable of reacting to Sidious.

I also highly doubt Sidious would use his maximum speed to cut down a Twilek girl.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
I also highly doubt Sidious would use his maximum speed to cut down a Twilek girl.

Vader convinced him to spare the girl so they could get a communicator to hail Moff Mors to get them off the planet. Again nothing in the text implies that Sidious held back earlier Sidious and Vader were outrunning the Lyleks and Vader was able to keep up with Sidious before they entered the Lylek nest.

Originally posted by carthage
Vader convinced him to spare the girl so they could get a communicator to hail Moff Mors to get them off the planet. Again nothing in the text implies that Sidious held back earlier Sidious and Vader were outrunning the Lyleks and Vader was able to keep up with Sidious before they entered the Lylek nest.

I doubt that Vader is Sidious speed unless he was holding back dramatically in the OT. It just doesn't make sense. Then again he is 80% of Sidious.

From a purely visual standpoint, even Sidious didn't seem that fast in RotS. The Obi-Wan/Anakin duel was far faster than his duel with Mace and the B-Team.

Originally posted by ares834
From a purely visual standpoint, even Sidious didn't seem that fast in RotS. The Obi-Wan/Anakin duel was far faster than his duel with Mace and the B-Team.

Yeah, but look at Kit Fisto's duel with Grievous. It was fairly high paced, far faster than his spat with Sidious from a purely visual standpoint.

Um yeah, that's my point. How fast the appear to be moving in the films or tv series doesn't seem to reflect their actual combat speed.

Originally posted by ares834
Um yeah, that's my point. How fast the appear to be moving in the films or tv series doesn't seem to reflect their actual combat speed.

Then you missed my point entirely.

It doesn't make sense for someone close to Sidious' speed to have problems with an out of shape Kenobi. That would mean that ANH Kenobi, and ROTJ Luke are approaching Sidious-tier speed which is absolutely ridiculous in my own humble opinion. OR Vader was toying with them.

We don't know if ANH Kenobi is out of shape in the new canon. As for Luke, Yoda thought he was ready to take on Vader and Sidious.

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Well all and all it was a good book, and apparently Sidious was holding back though lol

Originally posted by ares834
We don't know if ANH Kenobi is out of shape in the new canon. As for Luke, Yoda thought he was ready to take on Vader and Sidious.

ANH Kenobi would have to be at least Dooku level to compete with Sidious level speed. The idea of Luke being God tier when Lucas' successor denounced him as below the Jedi Council is...ridiculous. Although...the ROTJ novel did muse that Luke was the most powerful Jedi he's ever faced. Hmmmmm.

I thought it was the ESB novel that claimed that?

Originally posted by The Merchant
I thought it was the ESB novel that claimed that?

Was it really? Either way the idea that this half trained boy is Sidious level in speed is some anime-level powerups.

Can someone post some of the quotes/feats involving the Royal Guards and what they do to the Lyleks? I wanna see em in action! Pleeeease? I said please!

All they did was chuck grenades and fire shots that bounced off their carapaces.

But, but Ares said they killed a bunch of em with headshots n stuff! Ares why you get my hopes up? D:

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Was it really? Either way the idea that this half trained boy is Sidious level in speed is some anime-level powerups.

The quote the Merchant's thinking of is from Shadows of the Empire.