yeah theyve been killing in public opinion.. but to be fair thats largely a corporate decision. Disney had nothing until the Pixar Marvel Star Wars deals, so they needed tentpole movies, and a quick return on multibillion dollar investments. WB is still going through its reorgization to make the comics a big part of its entertainment business. Because it hasn't had to. They've been outdoing Disney since forever.
Originally posted by carver9
Not satisfied at all with Marvel comics recently. Nothing mouth dropping minus Hickman work. They need to bring Wolverine back. Get Pak back on Hulk. Aaron Thor. A lot of changes are needed.
It's going to suck when Hickman leaves, right? I think he'll be doing more creator owned work.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Yes.In the court of public opinion, Marvel is thrashing DC to bits. DC does, however, have better animation, comics, and live action TV shows.
The problem is that Marvel has been doing so well with the masses via their cinematic universe that people are willing to give them more leeway. Plus, they have a ton of mobile games that have been coming out - while lower in quality than DC's offerings (the Arkham games being the pinnacle of that) - that are getting adopted quicker and being loved. Marvel is essentially marketing to the masses - and winning.
Not only that, but Marvel is, IMO, about to destroy the TV live action section with their Defenders line up. Arrow and Flash are both great and doing extremely well, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say Netflix + Marvel is going to up the ante. Not only that, but Marvel has the competitive advantage in that everything is unified in one story universe that makes sense. DC, for whatever reason, decided that none of their movies are connected to their TV shows, and Arrow/Flash are essentially left to make their own shared universe, with no backing from the movies to get more people to watch the shows or vice versa.
Marvel seems to be going for a popcorn feel with movies and a gritty take on the TV properties, where DC is doing the exact opposite (epic/gritty movies, with slightly cheesier TV offerings - Flash for all it's greatness definitely has a cheese factor).
All in all, Marvel is doing better in the one thing that matters most (aside from generating great stories): Marketing. And my guess is that the House of Mouse is behind that.
Marvel has a ways to go to outdo DC in television. Yes, you have the Defenders on Netflix, but DC/WB has announced a TON of shows. Preacher on AMC (Probably right after Walking Dead), Supergirl, I Zombie, Teen Titans, Lucifer, Arrow, Constantine, Gotham, Flash, etc...
Right now DC has the edge in diversity.
Originally posted by Juntai
yeah theyve been killing in public opinion.. but to be fair thats largely a corporate decision. Disney had nothing until the Pixar Marvel Star Wars deals, so they needed tentpole movies, and a quick return on multibillion dollar investments. WB is still going through its reorgization to make the comics a big part of its entertainment business. Because it hasn't had to. They've been outdoing Disney since forever.
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WB usually is the leading studio in terms of box office, so they really had no need to rely on super hero properties like Disney/Marvel studios.
But that's going to change, because thanks to Kevin Tsujihara we've been getting TV show after TV show that isn't Batman/Superman related. And on top of that, we have a ton of movies to look forward to for the next several years.
Originally posted by carver9
Not satisfied at all with Marvel comics recently. Nothing mouth dropping minus Hickman work. They need to bring Wolverine back. Get Pak back on Hulk. Aaron Thor. A lot of changes are needed.
Why has everyone so easily forgiven them for ruining the celestials and beyonders?
Originally posted by carver9
It is going to suck. He is Marvel's hope right now...comic wise.
I'd like to see Claremont return, and do the X-Men. It would be great if Simonson and Byrne came back as well. These days, it seems as if the writers want to undo everything that was done, and stick us with weak uninteresting characters. However, I must admit that I do enjoy the GOTG, Nova, Angela, and Thor.
Originally posted by Stoic
I'd like to see Claremont return, and do the X-Men. It would be great if Simonson and Byrne came back as well. These days, it seems as if the writers want to undo everything that was done, and stick us with weak uninteresting characters. However, I must admit that I do enjoy the GOTG, Nova, Angela, and Thor.
I love Claremont, but his glory days are way behind him. I stopped reading X-Men around the time he wrote X-Treme X-men, which wasn't very good.
Originally posted by Golgo13
Marvel has a ways to go to outdo DC in television. Yes, you have the Defenders on Netflix, but DC/WB has announced a TON of shows. Preacher on AMC (Probably right after Walking Dead), Supergirl, I Zombie, Teen Titans, Lucifer, Arrow, Constantine, Gotham, Flash, etc...Right now DC has the edge in diversity.
Which is great, and I think DC has a strong offering in TV, but quantity =/= quality. I think they are good, so it's just a matter of scaling that up, but not all of them will be hits like Arrow/Flash (and they might have been if they were all connected, but nooooo).
Marvel is just doing a better job at creating their shared universe - live action all goes together, comic stuff all goes together.
DC is currently fractured on both ends.