Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
It's obvious from your past posts regarding Islam that you will deny any actual history that portrays Islam in a negative light so it is a waste of time arguing with you.Again, muslims were not innocent little victims.
You are blaming Islam for crusades which is plainly wrong. Why don't you blame Jews for crusades in similar vein? Both Jews and Muslims were on the receiving end of Crusading christians back then. Jews and Muslims were co-conspirators or something?
Seriously man.
It almost seems like the French are under attack. There was another attack, though thankfully the terrorist got put down before he could murder anyone.
Oh and those who read the article might notice there was a *third* attack:
"Meanwhile in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, the French embassy said the consulate was subject to "an attack by knife which targeted a guard".
A statement from the embassy read: "The French embassy strongly condemns this attack against a diplomatic outpost which nothing could justify.”
Wtf
Originally posted by ares834
The Crusades were triggered in large part due to Muslim invasions. It wasn't merely for the Christians to reclaim Jerusalem. Heck, the first Crusade started because the Byzantine Emperor requested aid in fighting against the Turks. Neither side of the conflict was innocent.
One of my useless degrees is in Mediterranean History.
So much crap was happening from 1,000 CE to 1,600 CE.
It's what you said. People saw Muslim violence (they were basically the "Southern Vikings"😉 and aggression, got mad, waged war.
I think I wrote-up a long-ass post about this a couple of years ago. I'm too lazy to look it up.
Originally posted by ares834
The Crusades were triggered in large part due to Muslim invasions. It wasn't merely for the Christians to reclaim Jerusalem. Heck, the first Crusade started because the Byzantine Emperor requested aid in fighting against the Turks. Neither side of the conflict was innocent.
Is a Pope supposed to do that?
Romans / Byzantines weren't innocent either. When Muslims were not in view, Byzantines were at war with the Persians in a quest for land grabs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman%E2%80%93Persian_Wars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine%E2%80%93Sasanian_War_of_602%E2%80%93628
It was dog eat dog world back then.
When Rashidun Caliphate emerged in Arabian lands in the 7th century period (First Arabian Civilization), Byzantines saw in it a threat to be dealt with and began to conspire with their former enemies in Persians to collude in this matter - the Heraclius and Yazdegerd III duo*. War with Rashidun Caliphate was inevitable under these circumstances. This is an aspect of regional politics that is intentionally suppressed in modern Western teachings (Roman confirmation bias much).
*Yazdegerd III was a puppet Sassanian ruler installed by Heraclius and rather unpopular in his own Empire. Limited information in following link: https://sites.rootsweb.com/~dearbornboutwell/fam1136.html
"What more unfortunate circumstances could there be here than these that hold the inhabited world in their grip? . . . What could be more lamentable and more terrible to those upon whom them fell? To see how a people, coming from the desert and barbaric, run through the land that is not theirs, as if it were their own; how they, who seem only to have simple human features, lay waste our sweet and organized country with their wild untamed beasts." - Emperor Heraclius
You see how he looked down upon Arabs?
His lands? Lands captured from the Persians to be precise.
Rashidun Caliphate was succeeded by Umayyad Caliphate which is noted for invading Spain upon invitation of Spanish Visigoths who were fed up with oppression of Roderick.
LINK: https://www.britannica.com/biography/Roderick
As Umayyad Caliphate settled in Spain, further chain-of-events led to war with the neighboring French (Gauls) who eventually won.
The aforementioned course of events happened centuries before the First Crusade launched by Pope Urban II in 1095 CE. Byzantines were at war with Seljuks in these times and the former reached out to Pope Urban II for assistance.
Now who was responsible for Byzantine - Seljuk war?
The Battle of Manzikert was fought on August 26, 1071, during the Byzantine-Seljuk Wars (1048-1308). Ascending to the throne in 1068, Romanos IV Diogenes worked to restore a decaying military situation on the Byzantine Empire's eastern borders. Passing needed reforms, he directed Manuel Comnenus to lead a campaign against the ​Seljuk Turks with the goal of regaining lost territory. While this initially proved successful, it ended in disaster when Manuel was defeated and captured. Despite this failure, Romanos was able to conclude a peace treaty with Seljuk leader Alp Arslan in 1069. This was largely due to Arslan's need for peace on his northern border so that he could campaign against the Fatimid Caliphate of Egypt.
LINK: https://www.thoughtco.com/byzantine-seljuk-wars-battle-of-manzikert-2360708
With the unfortunate precedent set by Pope Urban II, crusades continued over a lengthy period of time and the FOURTH crusade led by Pope Innocent III was directed towards the Byzantine Empire itself and its crowning achievement is the Sacking of Constantinople - LMAO.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Constantinople
https://www.ancient.eu/Fourth_Crusade/
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The above can be discussed with maturity and it is understandable how each camp felt at the time.
My beef is with Islamophobia and how Islamphobic individuals attempt to cast Islam and Muslims in negative light as if this is an EVIL menace. Their views are shaped by flawed/questionable set-of-assumptions to begin with.
The Islamophobes are helping ISIS and Al-Qaeda Types or something?
Don't do this.
Originally posted by Surtur
The Catholics aren't Christians? Since I went to Catholic schools and the priests and brothers seemed to be under the impression they were.They are just a specific group a Christians. The Pope is a Christian he'd say so if you asked him.
No, the pope is in no way a Christian. I don't care what he calls himself. In fact, I am still fairly certain that Francis is the false prophet spoken of in Revelation. The false prophet is far from being an actual Christian lol.
I've already listed many reasons I don't view Roman Catholicism as being part of real Christianity in several different threads. Go look them up if you like. Don't really care to type all of that stuff out again.
It gets tiresome typing the same stuff over and over and over again.
Originally posted by Surtur
The Catholics aren't Christians? Since I went to Catholic schools and the priests and brothers seemed to be under the impression they were.They are just a specific group a Christians. The Pope is a Christian he'd say so if you asked him.
They are. TLR just likes to claim they're not.
Originally posted by ares834Bad people on both sides? Oh, lordy. Not revenge of the sith again..
The Crusades were triggered in large part due to Muslim invasions. It wasn't merely for the Christians to reclaim Jerusalem. Heck, the first Crusade started because the Byzantine Emperor requested aid in fighting against the Turks. Neither side of the conflict was innocent.
Originally posted by SquallXStarting to respect you. 👆
Was raised Catholic, grew out of it the second my dad told me if i feel like church was a waste of time, I shouldn’t go.I was happy, mom was pissed.
Hate religion with a passion, but I dislike those that refuses to see the evils their religion creates.
To deny the evils of Islam, is mind boggling.
https://www.dw.com/en/muhammad-cartoon-row-anti-france-protests-erupt-across-muslim-world/a-55448696
So they put up cartoons of Muhammad in France.
And as expected, Muslims across multiple countries are protesting.
Originally posted by wxyzRemember when Bin Laden said the jokes in Family Guy don't derive from or add to the plot line? He said that was kinda gay. I agree.
https://www.dw.com/en/muhammad-cartoon-row-anti-france-protests-erupt-across-muslim-world/a-55448696So they put up cartoons of Muhammad in France.
And as expected, Muslims across multiple countries are protesting.
Originally posted by SquallX👆
Was raised Catholic, grew out of it the second my dad told me if i feel like church was a waste of time, I shouldn’t go.I was happy, mom was pissed.
Hate religion with a passion, but I dislike those that refuses to see the evils their religion creates.
To deny the evils of Islam, is mind boggling.
Myself I’ve believe in any religion, but I appreciate people do find strength/comfort etc from whatever religion they follow as if that’s helps the that’s fine. But it’s ridiculous how bad the double standards are and how contradictory religions with arrogance and ignorance.