Originally posted by Wonder Man
I'd rather die than not believe in Jesus.
Human sacrifice is evil and your God demanding one and accepting one is evil.
You trying to profit from that evil is evil. Do just a bit of thinking and you will agree.
Imagine you have two children. One of your children does something wrong – say it curses, or throws a temper tantrum, or something like that. In fact, say it does this on a regular basis, and you continually forgive your child, but it never seems to change.
Now suppose one day you’ve had enough, you need to do something different. You still wish to forgive your child, but nothing has worked. Do you go to your second child, your good child, and punish it to atone for the sins of the first?
In fact, if you ever saw a parent on the street punish one of their children for the actions of their other child, how would you react? Would you support their decision, or would you be offended? Because God punished Jesus -- his good child -- for the sins of his other children.
Interestingly, some historical royal families would beat their slaves when their own children did wrong – you should not, after all, ever beat a prince. The question is: what kind of lesson does that teach the child who actually did the harm? Does it teach them to be a better person, to stop doing harm, or does it teach them both that they won't themselves be punished, and also that punishing other people is normal? I know that's not a lesson I would want to teach my children, and I suspect it's not a lesson most Christians would want to teach theirs. So why does God?
For me, that’s at least one significant reason I find Jesus’ atonement of our sin to be morally repugnant – of course, that’s assuming Jesus ever existed; that original sin actually exists; that God actually exists; etc.
Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.
Do you agree?
Regards
DL
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
^ So, the lesson to be learned is never oppose authority.
Exactly what all religions want from their sheeple.
Now how did that happen?
Smacks of social manipulation and control and no religion is into that, much.
Oh wait. That is exactly what they are all about.
Regards
DL
Originally posted by Surtur
Thing is, everyone SHOULD be equal. This might makes right bullshit is..well, bullshit. Whether it is God doing it or a super villain in a comic.
+ 1
Most moral systems have as our first decision the choice of showing harm or care towards the other.
Most put care of the other ahead of harm.
Not in God's case, His first three commandments are designed to harm the other and not care about them.
We are to be centered on other as a form of good moral conduct yet God does the opposite.
http://blog.ted.com/the_real_differ/
Regards
DL
Lucifer wanted to take God's place, didn't he? It had nothing to do with equal rights.
Issiah 14 : 12-14
How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
You said in your heart, "I will ascend to the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon.
I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High."
Originally posted by Astner
"I will make myself like the Most High," that sounds very much like an usurping.Anyway it deals with authority and not rights, and Lucifer wanted it for himself and not for anyone else.
I'm going to make myself just like you. Does that sound like I'm going to make myself better then you?
Originally posted by Astner
If I walked up to the president and demanded that I should have the same authority as he, that would compromise his position.
You can have the same authority as the president. All you have to do is run for office and win. But the president doesn't have the right to cast out his opponents.