Originally posted by leonidas
neither bats nor cap are peak human. there is a thread where i had a lengthy debate about this and other stats between them. despite what the handbooks say, both are manifestly>human. in general, cap is shown as stronger, but when their top feats are examined it can be seen quickly that bats can nearly match cap feat for feat in all areas, not just strength, the advantages are small, but they add up. in h2h, no equipment steve would take a good majority, but each fight would be brutal and very long.
Ah see, but they ARE peak human. The trouble is that real world peak humans and comic book peak humans are of completely different molds. This is why it is especially hilarious whenever you see people talking about how they love the comic version of Batman because he is just a "normal person" with gadgets.
Batman should of course be physically inferior to Captain America in every way, but he's not because he is Batman.
Originally posted by riv6672
A more realistic comparison of human/peak human would be their movie versions.
This of course brings the problem the other way. Yes Batman is supposed to be a normal person, but when you see him being given trouble via attack dogs it tends to depress you. It's hard to find the correct balance.
Originally posted by SurturI rarely find anyone that says they like Batman because he's a "normal human" normal humans aren't vigilante billionaire genius detectives who've mastered every martial art and field of science and run around at night dressed like a Bat.
Ah see, but they ARE peak human. The trouble is that real world peak humans and comic book peak humans are of completely different molds. This is why it is especially hilarious whenever you see people talking about how they love the comic version of Batman because he is just a "normal person" with gadgets.Batman should of course be physically inferior to Captain America in every way, but he's not because he is Batman.