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DarkSaint85 Bonified abstract

CBR = ComicBook REsources.

It's a term used here to describe when a poster is using a character (like Silver Surfer) based on his powerset, rather than what their characters actually are.

So for example, CBR Surfer would immediately begin a fight by opening black holes in his opponent's brains, whilst his board flies at multiples of c into their backs, whilst transmuting them and devolving them into amoebas.

At the speed of light.

riv6672 Senior Member

I've seen Superman debated this way here, one that comes to mind is him Vs multiple Hulks. All of a sudden he was fighting at light speed, punching millions of times and chucking Hulks into the sun.
On this site, IMO, the more a character fights CBR style, the less chance he has of actually winning the fight.

-Pr- Hey Yo!

Yeah, we have rules about characters and how they act. No cbr'ness.

Also, seriously guys? If you can't be civil, don't reply to each other.

Genii96 Senior Member

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
CBR = ComicBook REsources.
It's a term used here to describe when a poster is using a character (like Silver Surfer) based on his powerset, rather than what their characters actually are.
So for example, CBR Surfer would immediately begin a fight by opening black holes in his opponent's brains, whilst his board flies at multiples of c into their backs, whilst transmuting them and devolving them into amoebas.
At the speed of light.

oh,ok. But that only affects the matter manipulation part though.
Surfer has shown the willingness to use the opponent's weakness against them,like against gladiator when he threatened him,or galactus himself when he turned his ship on him. Absorbing energy is also what he has shown to do as well. He did it against hulk and other times too. Most of the other fight she has has him either holding back or having opponents with some form of magical/cosmic defence.
I don't think surfer radiating supes weakness is CBR,nor is absorbing solar energy from him either.

DarkSaint85 Bonified abstract

Originally posted by Genii96
oh,ok. But that only affects the matter manipulation part though.
Surfer has shown the willingness to use the opponent's weakness against them,like against gladiator when he threatened him,or galactus himself when he turned his ship on him. Absorbing energy is also what he has shown to do as well. He did it against hulk and other times too. Most of the other fight she has has him either holding back or having opponents with some form of magical/cosmic defence.
I don't think surfer radiating supes weakness is CBR,nor is absorbing solar energy from him either.

I think the problem (and feel free to correct me) is that whilst Surfer has threatened, actually following it up is another matter. Whether it was because he was bluffing, or because he can't do it, is a whole other debate (though personally, I think it easy for Surfer to be physically capable of doing so).

And of course, I am sure Abhi is just itching to post scans of Superman fighting whilst being drained/hit by red sun rads.

Genii96 Senior Member

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I think the problem (and feel free to correct me) is that whilst Surfer has threatened, actually following it up is another matter. Whether it was because he was bluffing, or because he can't do it, is a whole other debate (though personally, I think it easy for Surfer to be physically capable of doing so).
And of course, I am sure Abhi is just itching to post scans of Superman fighting whilst being drained/hit by red sun rads.

Yea but surfer bluffing would make no sense,its not like glads could beat him without that. Also he didn't follow through cause glads backed down iirc. I mean if I threaten to shoot you if you come closer,and you don't,and I don't shoot,that dosent mean I can't shoot does it?. Plus I believe there isn't a single scan of surfer actually lying at all,or is there?
Plus he threatened glads,if he messed with him,he would do it and kill him,now surfer dosent usually fight to kill unless necessary. If glads pushed him,he would have done it.

Even if supes can fight with red sun,(am waiting for that) he aint beating surfer while weakened,oh and ofcourse there is kryptonite radiation again. Now supes fighting a guy who is radiating either or both those?SPITE. Not that surfer couldn't beat him without those.
The main problem I beliieve was that the cbr thing looks at characters of the ppl,not just powerset.

DarkSaint85 Bonified abstract

Originally posted by Genii96
Yea but surfer bluffing would make no sense,its not like glads could beat him without that. Also he didn't follow through cause glads backed down iirc. I mean if I threaten to shoot you if you come closer,and you don't,and I don't shoot,that dosent mean I can't shoot does it?. Plus I believe there isn't a single scan of surfer actually lying at all,or is there?
Plus he threatened glads,if he messed with him,he would do it and kill him,now surfer dosent usually fight to kill unless necessary. If glads pushed him,he would have done it.
Even if supes can fight with red sun,(am waiting for that) he aint beating surfer while weakened,oh and ofcourse there is kryptonite radiation again. Now supes fighting a guy who is radiating either or both those?SPITE. Not that surfer couldn't beat him without those.
The main problem I beliieve was that the cbr thing looks at characters of the ppl,not just powerset.

I know, I know - it's just that outside of that, what other showings does Surfer have of detecting an opponent's weakness and actually following through on it? That is the question that the Superman camp would want. Otherwise, he has no feats of doing so, really.

Not to mention, I believe on these boards, having Kryptonite from a different universe (as created by Surfer) would be iffy at affecting Supes.

As for the scans, I am sure Abhi is drawing them as we speak
😂

Blue Area Vet Restricted

Originally posted by riv6672
I've seen Superman debated this way here, one that comes to mind is him Vs multiple Hulks. All of a sudden he was fighting at light speed, punching millions of times and chucking Hulks into the sun.
On this site, IMO, the more a character fights CBR style, the less chance he has of actually winning the fight.

You noticed? They can't help themselves.

DarkSaint85 Bonified abstract

Originally posted by riv6672
I've seen Superman debated this way here, one that comes to mind is him Vs multiple Hulks. All of a sudden he was fighting at light speed, punching millions of times and chucking Hulks into the sun.
On this site, IMO, the more a character fights CBR style, the less chance he has of actually winning the fight.

My argument at the time was that he had basic knowledge of the Hulks, and preboot Superman had shown the willingness to immediately BFR opponents, at the start of the battle, ones who get stronger as time went on (Parasite).

He has the strength to throw a Hulk (not to the Sun, though, lol).
He has the speed to do so.
He has the intelligence to put two and two together (being a highly praised investigative journalist, and a scientist of the House of El, one of the most advanced families of one of the most advanced civs in the galaxy).
Most importantly, he has done so before (he is willing to do so). So not CBR style.

Here, in this thread:

Surfer has the abilities to create red-sun rads.
He (may?) have the knowledge to do so - cosmic awareness and all that.
Does he have the character to do what Supes has shown - go into battle, scan, and then start blasting with the rads? That is the difference, I guess.

Genii96 Senior Member

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I know, I know - it's just that outside of that, what other showings does Surfer have of detecting an opponent's weakness and actually following through on it? That is the question that the Superman camp would want. Otherwise, he has no feats of doing so, really.
Not to mention, I believe on these boards, having Kryptonite from a different universe (as created by Surfer) would be iffy at affecting Supes.
As for the scans, I am sure Abhi is drawing them as we speak
😂

Well he did to galactus too,using his ship,also against tenebrous and aegis,he took advantage of the crunch energies to kill them,against hulk he removed his gamma radiation, the better question would be what other time has surfer fought a guy who has an unatural weakness and NOT taken advantage?. Guys like thor,brb,thanos etc dnt have any unnatural weaknesses that can be exploited,you're either stronger than they are,or not. Also the evidence points towards surfer being able to do it,he threatened glads,glads didn't push it,so he didn't do it. To say surfer couldn't they should bring proof that surfer would lie or even proof of surfer bluffing before to have any argument that he couldn't.

SS isn't making kryptonite from another universe,he is using his power to determine the exact type of radiation that supes is weak to and thus radiates it.

And why would kryptonite from another universe be any different? Its not like its made of a different material is it?. Or is there an issue where supes shrigs of kryptonite from another universe or something?

Plus I though the verses were equalized when guys from 2 different verses fight?

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Genii96
[B]Turning the sun red is something a matter manipulator of his caliber can do. But then again,he could just radiate red sun energy or kryptonite radiation from his body.

Can he?

Would like to see a scan of him doing it in a fight.

It seems you conceded the loss since apparently you agree the only way supes lasts a second is by surfer not using his cosmic powers or awareness,and just going pure cqc.

And you've conceded that without Surfer doing something he never does, he is no match for Superman.

Do you want to see how many characters have tried kryptonite or red sun against Superman and still got their shit pushed in?

Here is a hint: more times than Surfer has used red sun or kryptonite.

But then again,he trounced hulk without his power cosmic,add the power cosmic amping his strength and he trounces supes as well.

Haha, what? Surfer had his powers controlled. He wasn't powerless. Hulk was far more weakened and even after that, kicked the shit out of surfer once he actually tried.

You claim supes would win,but can't seem to respond to his ability to trounce him. Concession accepted

Ability to trounce him? Are you drunk or something?

One Big Mob Dead

Abhi wants to compare combat related feats between Norrin Radd and Kal-el. So let's see how each of them fared against arguably the biggest, baddest, more well known bricks from each respective universe. Firstly, we see Superman and his keep of fear at the mere thought of facing Doomsday again. Superman is wetting the bed just dreaming about Doomsday.
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-02-47.jpg.html

http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-29_1.jpg.html

http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-46.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-47.jpg.html

Secondly, we see Superman has an ally against Doomsday who has faced off against the planetary defenses of Apokolips even prior to. Doomsday was not fresh by any means. Here we see Superman has a mother box amp as well as having an ally against Doomsday with preparation to boot.

The motherbox:
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-03.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-04.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-05.jpg.html

http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-14.jpg.html

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/hp_supes4.jpg

We see how easily Doomsday hurts him with the bone spurs as well as how terrible he does in general:

Now let's compare Superman's prepped, amped, ally aided fight against an opponent he wet the bed dreaming about to the Silver Surfer's fight against Hulk. Surfer with his power cosmic weakened had to go up against the Hulk and his war bound all on his own. Norrin Radd doesn't look scared at all. He also is taking on the Hulk and friends all by himself in gladiatorial combat. The Surfer's forte isn't melee combat either it's the Hulk's strong suit. Look how impressive the Surfer is when actively fighting back. Towards the end of the fight Surfer's obedience disk was broken thus allowing him to oppose the Red King's will. He doesn't fight back and takes his beatdown willingly. Despite all this he isn't harmed significantly against facing an opponent at his strength with his warbound cronies.

Here's proof of how weak Surfer was. He got weakened by the portal, had his power cosmic cut off from the obedience discs, and was farther weakened by the planet:
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Superman/IncredibleHulk95-005.jpg.html

http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Superman/IncredibleHulk95-022.jpg.html

Surfer vs the Warbound. Hulk had regained a decent amount of power at this stage:
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Superman/IncredibleHulk95-010.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Superman/IncredibleHulk95-011.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Superman/IncredibleHulk95-012.jpg.html
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http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Superman/IncredibleHulk95-014.jpg.html

http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Superman/IncredibleHulk95-015.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Superman/IncredibleHulk95-016.jpg.html

So really when we break down abhi's challenge it becomes laughable. He always claims he punches Surfer's teeth out. We see Superman is afraid to fight a brute. Surfer takes on a brute with no fear and allows him to beat him down even without any significant injuries. Superman needed a mother box, tried to avoid Doomsday, and sustained brutal injuries. Superman was amped while Surfer was weakened. Superman had prep while Surfer had none. Superman had numbers while the Surfer did not. Superman was scared shitless while the Surfer was fearless.. Facts are facts. Abhi, you can't change them.

Just for fun, here's Surfer at full power taking attacks to really no effect from an amped Hulk before Abby starts posting 40 year old scans in an attempt to lowball:
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/SS_v3_125_10a.jpg.html?sort=3&o=2

http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/SS_v3_125_11a.jpg.html?sort=3&o=5

http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/SS_v3_125_12a.jpg.html?sort=3&o=6

http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/SS_v3_125_13a.jpg.html?sort=3&o=4

http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/SS_v3_125_14b.jpg.html?sort=3&o=7

http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Cosmic/SS_v3_125_16b.jpg.html?sort=3&o=3
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StiltmanFTW CBvF

Originally posted by abhilegend
Characters tend to get up celey. Why don't you post the proof that this isn't a KTFO Surfer? He was about to kill surfer by absorbing all his power, yet Surfer could do nothing.

Surfer probably wasn't getting up because he was too busy imagining it wasn't the Firelord who beat him, but his old friends - crazy mexicans that love bondage.

BUENO HE'S BOUND

Juntai Divine Vengeance

lol, @ before he uses old scans, while using 20+ year old scans of Superman vs Doomsday.

One-Punch B-Class Hero

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I know, I know - it's just that outside of that, what other showings does Surfer have of detecting an opponent's weakness and actually following through on it? That is the question that the Superman camp would want. Otherwise, he has no feats of doing so, really.

He has plenty feats.

However, Surfer doesn't necessarily "detect weaknesses." I don't see Surfer creating kryptonite or even using red sun radiation. A more accurate description of how he fights is that when he senses his opponent's energies (if they have any), he will exploit it to his advantage in a fight. Examples below:

Surfer easily takes out Vision and Wonder Man via disrupting their electrical and ionic energies:
http://i.imgur.com/Zv2a2G7.jpg

Surfer easily purges the Gamma radiation from Hulk's cells, depowering him permanently:
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk%20Fights%20N-S/HulkvsSilverSurfer08250.jpg.html
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk%20Fights%20N-S/HulkvsSilverSurfer09.jpg.html

Takes out Super Saiyan Skaar; Surfer drains and seals away Skaar's Old Power, which is Skaar's birthright. He also repairs the planet at the same time:
http://imgur.com/a/bBK66#4 <--- Skaar is destroying the planet here
http://imgur.com/a/bBK66#5
http://imgur.com/a/bBK66#6

^Skaar was tapping into all of his ancestor's Old Power; enough energy to feed Galactus for 100,000 years, and gave Skaar the ability to easily planet bust:
http://imgur.com/a/bBK66#3

Surfer casually manipulates Jack of Heart's internal energy via Power Cosmic to cause him pain:
http://i.imgur.com/NRo1X28.jpg

Surfer draining Firelord's cosmic fire, than overloading him with it:http://i.imgur.com/Rk1blsp.jpg

Surfer draining his clone's cosmic energy (the clone was equal to him in power), to the point of absorbing his clone's entire essence into himself:
http://imgur.com/a/L6aO0#6
http://imgur.com/a/L6aO0#7

Then there's this little goody:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/1/15293/414526-triumph2.JPG

One-Punch B-Class Hero

Originally posted by abhilegend
Haha, never knew you were so butthurt vince. It doesn't suits you.

After our discussion, you posted the Surfer/Parademons scans in the Ownage thread, and you're calling me butthurt? Lol. At least Squallx called you out on being petty.

I just have a high standard when it comes to evidence. A lot of what you post is pretty flimsy and a big stretch. We wouldn't be having this argument if you actually posted high-quality proof.

Superman's own words contradict it. Superman again said "Orion has surprised him twice."

Here's Supes vs. Orion:
http://i.imgur.com/Gp7utFB.jpg (Orion blasts Superman)
http://i.imgur.com/HVFfxHh.jpg (Superman punches Orion)
http://i.imgur.com/EsEon9L.jpg (Orion KO's superman via blast).

Clearly not a cheap-shot. They're already fighting and Superman is engaged with Orion before Orion knocks him out.

If Orion wasn't even hurt or something why was "Orion's back in the game" after several pages means?

We're debating whether he's unconscious.

That statement doesn't prove Orion was knocked out. Orion didn't have his harness when Superman punted him away, and he needs it to fly. Obviously it's going to take time for Orion to locate his harness and catch-up with Supes and be "back in the game."

By your standards, I could claim Aquaman KO'd supes here:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111142727/3945804-3156409424-36801.jpg

Since Supes doesn't show up until later.

Did they?
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/21598943/2014-12-24_03-22-34_-_Superman_2011-_037-018.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/21598945/2014-12-24_03-22-34_-_Superman_2011-_037-019.jpg.html
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We clearly see Superman and Ulysses caught in the blast. You should read the comics vince.

The second scan clearly shows Supes and Ulysses were OFF the planet when it exploded.

Supes flew them off just in time (he's a fast guy). They were only hit by the shock wave and debris, and looked pretty beat-up just from that. Imagine if they were actually on the planet when it exploded. It'd be pretty ugly.

I already said that he was amped via several trips to sun. He was nowhere sundipped. And the amp was just minor so that he survived kryptonite long enough and was nearly dead instead of being actually dead.
League didn't know that at all.

Supes was still amped when he fought the league though. Rao didn't believe me, but thanks for clearing that up. Orion by himself looked like he was holding his own with Supes despite Supe's amp. The rest of the JLA sort of just watched them fight, except for Barda who threw in a cheap shot.

I just wrote and draw Batman Superman 11.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-jJI2glbUUUg/U3yvTTTefXI/AAAAAAADZhU/i_xqhchykA0/s1600/-009.jpg
See the skulls lying around? They are all the beings who Doomsday killed.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-uuVkeUeCVow/U3yvTu-TIvI/AAAAAAADZhQ/IiZEIecCGWU/s1600/-011+copy.jpg
"Doomsday hit us, he broke the sky. He could kill us all."

You claimed Doomsday had better energy draining feats than Surfer, and claimed he energy drained the Kryptonians to death.

Where did he energy drain them to death?

Your words are meaningless when Atom said that the black hole will destroy the solar system. Superman stopped it before it could destroy it though. As soon as Superman tossd it, the black hole actually destroyed that wormhole and we could see debris floating.

The black hole needed time to grow large enough to destroy the solar system. You claimed it started off at solar system busting levels, even though it barely warped the room, which batman was in! You then went on to claim Batman tanked a solar system busting black hole, and said something about Batman tanking a multiversal singularity. I hope you were joking.

I just wrote and draw Infinity Crusade and SS 146.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23363304/Crusades-03-35.jpg.html
http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/23363304_Crusades-03-35.jpg
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23363306/Crusades-03-36.jpg.html
http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/23363306_Crusades-03-36.jpg
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23363307/Crusades-03-37.jpg.html
http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/23363307_Crusades-03-37.jpg
Whaddya know, I'm such a good artist and writer.

Celey summed it up best, they were both the same fight, but SS v3 #83 showed the full fight in detail, and it referenced IC#3!

Infinity Crusade #3 shows a glimpse of SS and Firelord's fight (you posted it already)
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23363304/Crusades-03-35.jpg.html
http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/23363304_Crusades-03-35.jpg
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23363306/Crusades-03-36.jpg.html
http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/23363306_Crusades-03-36.jpg
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23363307/Crusades-03-37.jpg.html
http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/23363307_Crusades-03-37.jpg

^Last scans show Thanos monitoring Surfer.

Infinity Crusade #4 picks off where SS#83 leaves off, with Thanos monitoring and engaging Surfer:
http://s4.postimg.org/fxtq3mufh/The_Infinity_Crusade_04_Mortal_Sins_01.jpg
http://s4.postimg.org/dunw9pk0d/The_Infinity_Crusade_04_Mortal_Sins_02.jpg

People wouldn't know this if they didn't read the saga. It's one of abhi's signature moves; to pull the wool over people's eyes and mislead.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23363318/SS_v3_146_16a.jpg.html
http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/23363318_SS_v3_146_16a.jpg

Are you kidding?

This is literally the next page, Surfer is standing and talking:
http://imgur.com/a/KyRWo#8

Why didn't you post the page before Firelord blasts Surfer?
http://imgur.com/a/KyRWo#6
^ Surfer had Firelord beat and on the ground and, held his hand out in peace. Firelord took advantage and blasted Surfer. You always point out if Supes is surprise attacked, but never mention surprise attacks when they happen to Surfer?

He defeated Brainiac who oneshotted Orion, defeated Mageddon who broke Orion and nearly killed him and stalemated Infinity Man who oneshot disintegrated Orion.
But all those mean nothing, right? Only Superman fighting while holding back matters.

Those are impressive feats, but A>B>C logic doesn't necessarily work in comics. This is why Thor does well against Surfer, and Surfer does well against Hulk, and Hulk does well against Thor, etc.

Superman always pulls his punches against Orion.
Orion himself has said so.

That doesn't prove anything lol.

This doesn't look like pulling punches:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/7/72524/1486546-superman_vs_orion.jpg

Superman says, "If it's a fight you want Orion...you got it!"

Himon says, "They'll kill each other!"

And what about Mister Miracle saying, "those two are so evenly matched"

Yeah, right.
Its like just post a random comment against me and every marvel fanboy here gobbles it up like its the elixir. Just because you said so!!!!

I'm just pointing out your flimsy evidence, which no one really buys.

Rao Kal El DJ FrostByte

Lol at comparing Hulk with DD.

Under Jurgens DOS DD survived a combined alll out blast from Maxima, Guy Gardner, Blodwynn, Boster, Fire and Superman all this with ONE HAND ties behind his back, so 😂 where does Hulk has a similar feat? The only one I recall it will be under Peter David and even Peter David acknowledge that Superman will defeat the Hulk. HP DD is another entire beast. On a different level.

And @ one punch I corrected you, because you claimed Superman was "sun dipped" Superman looks way different when he is "sun dipped" fyi .IMO a 100% slightly longer than usual charge will not count as a sundip. Plus the JLA didn't know Superman was 100% charged, still they decided to attack him with alll they got, using Barda and Orion as element of surprise helped by WW, GL, MMH, Supergirl and Superboy, all this while batmn tried to weakened him with syntetic k at the begining of the fight. Why would they prepare so much against a weak enemy that according to many MMH will be enough to take him down?

Adam Grimes Devil On Your Shoulder

👆

Glad to see you're back Rao.

carver9 Senior Member

Doomsday also struggled to punch himself from an underground bunker. He wasn't all that impressive to today's standard characters.

Silent Master Senior Member

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
You noticed? They can't help themselves.

He's seen abhi and h1 post, so yes, he's noticed.