Silver Surfer Vs DCnu Top Five

Started by abhilegend31 pages
abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by One-Punch
After our discussion, you posted the Surfer/Parademons scans in the Ownage thread, and you're calling me butthurt? Lol. At least Squallx called you out on being petty.
That was just for fun.

Stop being stiff like bran.

I just have a high standard when it comes to evidence. A lot of what you post is pretty flimsy and a big stretch. We wouldn't be having this argument if you actually posted high-quality proof.
I highly doubt that.

Here's Supes vs. Orion:
http://i.imgur.com/Gp7utFB.jpg (Orion blasts Superman)
http://i.imgur.com/HVFfxHh.jpg (Superman punches Orion)
http://i.imgur.com/EsEon9L.jpg (Orion KO's superman via blast).

Clearly not a cheap-shot. They're already fighting and Superman is engaged with Orion before Orion knocks him out.

It was Superman's first fight with Orion, he did not know who he was. He spelled it out for someone like you.

"He has surprised me twice." Doc Samson punched Hulk out by surprise too.

When he was prepared, he took surfer owning omega beams like a champ.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanconfidential010_13.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanconfidential010_14.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanconfidential010_16.jpg

Here is a hint, omega beams are a lot powerful than Astro force and it even left superman bloddied. Superman wasn't koed.

We're debating whether he's unconscious.
No, only you are.

That statement doesn't prove Orion was knocked out. Orion didn't have his harness when Superman punted him away, and he needs it to fly. Obviously it's going to take time for Orion to locate his harness and catch-up with Supes and be "back in the game."
Orion can summon his harness with just a thought.

Superman was busy fighting lightray while Orion was taking a nap. He did it again by blowing a reactor in his face BTW.

By your standards, I could claim Aquaman KO'd supes here:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111142727/3945804-3156409424-36801.jpg
You could, but you will have to read the comic first for that.

Since Supes doesn't show up until later.
Aquaman doesn't notes that Superman is out of the game.

The second scan clearly shows Supes and Ulysses were [b]OFF the planet when it exploded.
Off the planet, the blast still engulfs them. Who said he was standing at the planet? You know whats the kicker? He was weakened by kryptonite in the same comic.

Supes flew them off just in time (he's a fast guy). They were only hit by the shock wave and debris, and looked pretty beat-up just from that. Imagine if they were actually on the planet when it exploded. It'd be pretty ugly.
He was hit full force by the blast.

He was also weakened by kryptonite radiation just pages before that.

Supes was still amped when he fought the league though. Rao didn't believe me, but thanks for clearing that up.
Just minor amp by visiting sun too many times.
Orion by himself looked like he was holding his own with Supes despite Supe's amp. The rest of the JLA sort of just watched them fight, except for Barda who threw in a cheap shot.
They knew they could not beat him. Hence, the kryptonite. In fact he soloed dozens of Supermen robots who were stalemating JLA while weakened by kryptonite.

You claimed Doomsday had better energy draining feats than Surfer, and claimed he energy drained the Kryptonians to death.

Where did he energy drain them to death?

Where did he? You think he punched them to become skeletons?

The black hole needed time to grow large enough to destroy the solar system.
No such thing was claimed in the comic. Atom said if it escaped, its good by solar system. As soon as Superman threw it, it exploded.

No time lag.

You claimed it started off at solar system busting levels, even though it barely warped the room, which batman was in!
Because it was escaping from the magnetic field. As soon as Superman lets it go, it blew up.
You then went on to claim Batman tanked a solar system busting black hole, and said something about Batman tanking a multiversal singularity. I hope you were joking.
facepalm

Celey summed it up best, they were both the same fight, but SS v3 #83 showed the full fight in detail, and it referenced IC#3!

Infinity Crusade #3 shows a glimpse of SS and Firelord's fight (you posted it already)
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23363304/Crusades-03-35.jpg.html
http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/23363304_Crusades-03-35.jpg
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23363306/Crusades-03-36.jpg.html
http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/23363306_Crusades-03-36.jpg
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23363307/Crusades-03-37.jpg.html
http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/23363307_Crusades-03-37.jpg

No, it is not. In IC, Surfer is left floating in space and Firelord just watches it. In SS 83, he was trying to kill surfer from start.

Two different fights.

SS#83 shows Surfer & Firelord's full fight (Surfer wins), and Infinity Crusade #3 is referenced on the bottom right:
http://s1.postimg.org/qhlfvtakv/Silver_Surfer_v3_083_03_04.jpg <--- IC#3 referenced here
http://s1.postimg.org/qnz4ywjpr/Silver_Surfer_v3_083_05.jpg
http://s1.postimg.org/vy43q73yn/Silver_Surfer_v3_083_06.jpg
http://s1.postimg.org/mu5opr2dr/Silver_Surfer_v3_083_07.jpg
http://s1.postimg.org/6qt7py0un/Silver_Surfer_v3_083_08.jpg
http://s1.postimg.org/m3cyjz00f/Silver_Surfer_v3_083_09.jpg
http://s1.postimg.org/44dp909n3/Silver_Surfer_v3_083_10.jpg
http://s1.postimg.org/oah77w5an/Silver_Surfer_v3_083_15.jpg
http://s1.postimg.org/t1h2pwy4v/Silver_Surfer_v3_083_16_17.jpg
http://s1.postimg.org/kxdjyx13j/Silver_Surfer_v3_083_18.jpg
http://s1.postimg.org/9v3vmqhn3/Silver_Surfer_v3_083_19.jpg
http://s1.postimg.org/p925nx80f/Silver_Surfer_v3_083_20.jpg
http://s1.postimg.org/yfkgb7d8v/Silver_Surfer_v3_083_21.jpg
http://s1.postimg.org/pn3hnis3z/Silver_Surfer_v3_083_22.jpg
http://s1.postimg.org/txi5j3x73/Silver_Surfer_v3_083_23.jpg

^Last scans show Thanos monitoring Surfer.

Nope, just referencing the previous fight there. Show me Firelord just standing over Surfer while he is left floating in space and where is Moondragon in those scans anyway?

Infinity Crusade #4 picks off where SS#83 leaves off, with Thanos monitoring and engaging Surfer:
http://s4.postimg.org/fxtq3mufh/The_Infinity_Crusade_04_Mortal_Sins_01.jpg
http://s4.postimg.org/dunw9pk0d/The_Infinity_Crusade_04_Mortal_Sins_02.jpg
So? It shows the fights were connected from IC 3 to SS 83. Not that both were same fights.

People wouldn't know this if they didn't read the saga. It's one of abhi's signature moves; to pull the wool over people's eyes and mislead.
Haha, this is pure gold.

Are you kidding?

This is literally the next page, Surfer is standing and talking:
http://imgur.com/a/KyRWo#8

And he was lying there prone to Firelord. Superman was up and talking after one page of Orion's attack. He wasn't KOED!!

Why didn't you post the page before Firelord blasts Surfer?
http://imgur.com/a/KyRWo#6
^ Surfer had Firelord beat and on the ground and, held his hand out in peace. Firelord took advantage and blasted Surfer. You always point out if Supes is surprise attacked, but never mention surprise attacks when they happen to Surfer?
I never said firelord beat Surfer. I said he koed him twice.

Learn the difference.

Those are impressive feats, but A>B>C logic doesn't necessarily work in comics. This is why Thor does well against Surfer, and Surfer does well against Hulk, and Hulk does well against Thor, etc.
Not in the same comics. Superman holds back against his allies and that's why everyone can give him fights. When he goes all out though? Well, OWAW is famous for that.

That doesn't prove anything lol.
Yeah, just ignore the statement.

This doesn't look like pulling punches:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/7/72524/1486546-superman_vs_orion.jpg

Superman says, "If it's a fight you want Orion...you got it!"

Of course it was.

Himon says, "They'll kill each other!"
That's not Himon, that's Infinity Man posing as himon and damn near everything he said was a lie.

Superman doesn't goes around killing his friends.

And what about Mister Miracle saying, "those two are so evenly matched"

I'm just pointing out your flimsy evidence, which no one really buys. [/B]

Superman then goes on to overpower Infinity Man who disintegrated Orion with one attack.

"Evenly matched."

Can surfer disintegrate Orion with one blast? Yes or No.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Hulk vs Gas station btw.

http://i.imgur.com/l1iQkFA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pYeXg9U.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UKmr0x0.jpg

You were saying something carver?

Rao Kal El DJ FrostByte
Originally posted by quanchi112
It meets the criteria of the thread so why complain ? Jurgens also explained why Doomsday was more impressive and his idea of his power level which has been exaggerated left and fight in the forum. Superman was pretty scared of going up against him. Nightmares. [B]If I had a Superman limits folder I'd definitely put those scans in there. [/B]

Yes quani Jurgens said that Dos DD was what? 90% of Superman's power?

I think I will put HP DD as a limit to Superman at least 90's Superman. I mean there is no shame HP DD just got full blasted on the face by Radiant with out even being fazed and radian's full blast can laid waste to a 1/5 of a planet, after he got omega blasted by Darkseid and 3 shot Darkseid in return. DD went into punking Waveryder, broke amped Superman's arm like a twig and tanked how many? 1 million nukes? Yes I guess that will be pretty scary.
Enlight me, who in Marvel has a similar feat in an arc?

Rao Kal El DJ FrostByte

Originally posted by quanchi112
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Don't worry rao always going into hiding. Give him a few days and poof.

Take it easy Quani, I know you miss me when I am gone.

Rao Kal El DJ FrostByte

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hulk vs Gas station btw.

http://i.imgur.com/l1iQkFA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pYeXg9U.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UKmr0x0.jpg

You were saying something carver?

I think thats the same guy who got the hulk to fight galaxy master. 😂

riv6672 Senior Member

Originally posted by abhilegend
You were saying something carver?

That every character has low showings, and many suffer from dated story lines?

So really, what i usually get from these long overblown rambling Superman centric threads is, only Superman can beat Superman...

And only a weakened Superman with extenuating circumstances...

Seems like a lot of trouble to go through to put across such a straight forward theory.

Blue Area Vet Restricted
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Well I am aware of Hulks history and surviving planet pushing beams pales in comparasion to Superman surviving Super nova blast from Starbreaker and then getting killed by DD under the same writer. So I see you are being ignorant about that or did you knew that bro?

Which is not a relevant point when you consider I didn't make a claim about Superman's lack of durability. That's what happens when you come in on the back end of an argument.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hulk vs Gas station btw.

http://i.imgur.com/l1iQkFA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pYeXg9U.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UKmr0x0.jpg

You were saying something carver?

Lol...that isn't a gas station and that blast isn't comparable to a gas station explosion. Not in the least. Good try though.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Carver Don't make me laugh with your argument.

Jurgens (The same guy who ko Superman with a gas station after fighting DD for a while and receiving a haymaker from Maxima) had Superman withstanding the core pressure of Almerac after receiving a super nova blast from Starbreaker. Not only that but DOS DD had already survived at that point a fight with a Guardian of the Galaxy and IIRC He wasn't killed by a explosion that open a hole in the space.

And don't lie about what PAK said a lot of people who had read the interview saw that PAK said that Superman will win a fight with the hulk because he always finds a way. That DD/Super will loose, because well Superdoom is not Superman or something along those lines.

Oh and btw DOS DD was already strong enough to live trough an explosion that could lay waste to 1/5 of a planet. All those showings are under creator of DD Dan Jurgens.

so I don't see your point and YOU haven't answered any of my questions, if you are going to keep along those rude manners and not answer what I am asking you on a debate maybe you should not even engage at all.

The point is flying over your head. I'm not bringing up any classic moment prior to what happened in DOS. I'm not talking about any present showings that happened AFTER DOS, I'm arguing scenes that happened directly during this story line and Superman was a pale comparison to his current self, even before the reboot.

Not posting the scene again but Pak said that Superman can beat Hulk by calming him down, not physically beating him. He then say Hulk would beat Super Doom "who is an amped version of Superman" (have you even read anything involving Super Doom).

So Doomsday survived that attack within the time he broke free and before his death? Scans.

What was your question?

DarkSaint85 Bonified abstract
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...that isn't a gas station and that blast isn't comparable to a gas station explosion. Not in the least. Good try though.

True, it's far weaker.

That's the gas from a domestic gas line. They would be smaller than an entire gas station exploding. After all, you wouldn't want something so high pressure feeding gas to your house, would you?

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
True, it's far weaker.

That's the gas from a domestic gas line. They would be smaller than an entire gas station exploding. After all, you wouldn't want something so high pressure feeding gas to your house, would you?

Not debating long on this...I'll just end it with this. Hulk was soaking up Voltage for minutes way before the gas went off. More than a gas explosion happened during that seen.

http://i.imgur.com/l1iQkFA.jpg

DarkSaint85 Bonified abstract

Originally posted by carver9
Not debating long on this...I'll just end it with this. Hulk was soaking up Voltage for minutes way before the gas went off. More than a gas explosion happened during that seen.

http://i.imgur.com/l1iQkFA.jpg

Electricity does not explode 😕

carver9 Senior Member
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Electricity does not explode 😕

I know it doesn't. It's an attack though...an attacking that Hulk was enduring for some minutes. He wasn't just hit by an explosion. You have to include what else happened during the scene.

DarkSaint85 Bonified abstract
Originally posted by carver9
I know it doesn't. It's an attack though...an attacking that Hulk was enduring for some minutes. He wasn't just hit by an explosion. You have to include what else happened during the scene.

I thought the Hulk got stronger the longer fights go on? So whilst he was soaking electricity, he was getting madder and stronger?

Unless his durability was going down, because electricity calms him down? You're the Hulk expert, I guess.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I thought the Hulk got stronger the longer fights go on? So whilst he was soaking electricity, he was getting madder and stronger?

Unless his durability was going down, because electricity calms him down? You're the Hulk expert, I guess.

😂

Why are you doing this Dark? Hulk can still get damaged though and some writers forget the fact that the more you pound on him the powerful he becomes.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...that isn't a gas station and that blast isn't comparable to a gas station explosion. Not in the least. Good try though.

Sounds like some really lame excuse.

Superman was fighting someone far stronger than him and got essentially suckered.

In the same arc he shrugged off a gas station blowing up on him casually after hours of fighting with Doomsday and far weaker than the first time.

Hulk never did.

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

Originally posted by abhilegend
It specified where the conflict began.

Its not the same fight as at the end of IC 3, surfer was KOED. While at the start of SS 83, he was ready to fight again.

Well, it was.

You tried so hard to make it like the same fight. I still get a laugh out of that. So much butthurt from you.

Characters tend to get up celey. Why don't you post the proof that this isn't a KTFO Surfer? He was about to kill surfer by absorbing all his power, yet Surfer could do nothing.

I will wait eagerly.

Giving excuses for every character again, eh? Must be tiresome to spin things so much.


Are you purposely being daft? The Infinity Crusade storyline was laden with parts that were delved into great detail within its myriad crossovers. A common practice in companywide story events, one of which was the battle b/n Surfer and Firelord in SS #83.

Now lets use a bit of common sense shall we? Firelord was sent to pretty much eliminate Surfer after Surfer broke free of the Goddess's/Moon Dragon's influence. How do we know this? Moon Dragon herself states "To deny one's celestial destiny is to court destruction".

So now if you have Surfer supposedly ko'd, why the fukk would Firelord who was in the thrall of the Goddess and Moon Dragon allow him to wake up and let his @$$ be knocked the phukk out? Doesn't make sense. You know why? It's the same phukkin fight and Surfer was never knocked out in IC #3. Now get the pluck outta here with your cockamamie logic. You be coming up with the most ridiculous claims when in full denial mode. facepalm

In the case of Silver Surfer #146...
These are the last 3 pages of that fight. Mind you a fight in which Surfer was holding back throughout in order to find a more peaceful solution.

He was down, but never truly out. Dude had no problem getting right back up the very next page with barely any time passing for crying out loud. He didn't even look hurt. 😮

-Pr- Hey Yo!

Hulk isn't in this thread. So drop it.

Stop using low feats.

Stop being immature twats.

2 out of 3 should be capable for most of you.

Adam Grimes Devil On Your Shoulder

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I could bring up the mexicans, though.

riv6672 Senior Member

I know which one i'm opting to keep...